Modified Vintage, or High End Modern Technology

I dont wanna step on anyone toes but in my opinion THERE IS NO "BEST OF THE NEW" its all cheap crap that doesnt perform anywhere near as good as the older stuff!

Unless you have listened to a lot of high end tables first hand, this is a closed minded blanket statement that holds no merit. Your statement "it's all cheap crap" shows your lack of experience with modern high end tables which many show amazing build quality. That being said, if a Yamaha GT2000, GT2000L, or GT2000X were to come along I would be tempted to make it my last Vintage DD Table.

I plan on moving my tables in and out of the main rig over the next few weeks to determine once and for all their individual merits. I have also ordered some armboards to do some arm swapping as well. As hard as it will be to sell these off, I want to make sure I keep the best Thorens in the house.
Regards,
Jim
 
I dont wanna step on anyone toes but in my opinion THERE IS NO "BEST OF THE NEW" its all cheap crap that doesnt perform anywhere near as good as the older stuff!

This is a thread crap, and certainly not keeping with the spirit of AK.
 
Continuing with the original thread, how about vintage high-end? There are plenty of 20-year-old VPIs, Linns, Oracles, and SOTAs out there, still spinning. The prices are quite reasonable compared to the new stuff, and parts are still available. They are usually easier to work on than vintage mass-market tables.
 
Continuing with the original thread, how about vintage high-end? There are plenty of 20-year-old VPIs, Linns, Oracles, and SOTAs out there, still spinning. The prices are quite reasonable compared to the new stuff, and parts are still available. They are usually easier to work on than vintage mass-market tables.

I'm not opposed to that angle, however a Linn is out for me.
Regards,
Jim
 
I have so much on vinyl, that I feel I should explore the possibility that there may be a better way to retrieve more information on the discs.

I'd love to hear a strain gauge cartridge.

Laser turntables have always interested me.

I have no experience with either. :no:
 
We all have our preferences, so I couldn't offer anything meaningful as a recommendation on this issue, but I'd absolutely be looking at the modern high end over almost all vintage options. If I was of the belief that nothing new was any good, I'd be too sad to be into audio gear.

Given that, I'd be looking at something like the Clearaudio Innovation or the Compact model if I had the itch to explore higher level. I like the Ovation, too. I'd also be looking at the VPI Aries 3, or something like that, and certainly the Well Tempered. I do have a vintage turntable still in the main system, so I'm not opposed, but it's not a TOTL model.
 
Regardless of what some like to think, TT technology has advanced a lot in the last 30 years. Visit some decent local audio stores and check them out. So much great stuff out there.

I couldn't agree more! There's a lot of great new turntables available at several price levels. Going to a reputable audio store and doing some serious auditioning. Will open your mind, to possibly upgrading your older turntable, with a newly designed modern component. Which in turn, could dramatically improve the sound of your entire system!

FWIW.... Isn't this practice something we always did years ago, when we bought new equipment to replace or upgrade what we already owned? Maybe sticker shock keeps a lot of audio enthusiasts away from the stereo stores these days....who knows? That said.....not all the gear sold at these stores are priced at 5 figures. Dealer demos can offer even more savings, as I've learned from past experiences! Support your local audio/stereo stores!!
 
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Regardless of what some like to think, TT technology has advanced a lot in the last 30 years. Visit some decent local audio stores and check them out. So much great stuff out there.

What technologies are you referring to and what year were they implemented?
 
I couldn't agree more! There's a lot of great new turntables available at several price levels. Going to a reputable audio store and doing some serious auditioning. Will open your mind, to possibly upgrading your older turntable, with a newly designed modern component. Which in turn, could dramatically improve the sound of your entire system!

FWIW.... Isn't this practice something we always did years ago, when we bought new equipment to replace or upgrade what we already owned? Maybe sticker shock keeps a lot of audio enthusiasts away from the stereo stores these days....who knows? That said.....not all the gear sold at these stores are priced at 5 figures. Dealer demos can offer even more savings, as I've learned from past experiences! Support your local audio/stereo stores!!

That's exactly what we used to do. And some of us still do. Corrected for inflation, there are more great audio pieces and deals, available today then ever before. And the best stuff available today is the best there has ever been. But not as good as what is coming tomorrow.
 
What technologies are you referring to and what year were they implemented?

As I said before, visit some local audio stores and learn for yourself. On my last visit, I heard this:

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That's exactly what we used to do. And some of us still do. Corrected for inflation, there are more great audio pieces and deals, available today then ever before. And the best stuff available today is the best there has ever been. But not as good as what is coming tomorrow.

I think its going to take a lot to beat what he has...but wouldn't it be fun to try to figure out what's going to do that? I wish I had spent more time when I was making my jump into current high-end tables. I love my VPI, its the best of the turntable's I own, but I jumped in before I really knew just how many great tables were out there and I could have had a lot more fun exploring with the intention to buy instead of exploring just out of curiosity as I do now. I may still have ended up with the Classic but probably not after I heard the Well Tempered GTA Amadeus, for example. There are SO many great tables out there now.
 
I think its going to take a lot to beat what he has...but wouldn't it be fun to try to figure out what's going to do that? I wish I had spent more time when I was making my jump into current high-end tables. I love my VPI, its the best of the turntable's I own, but I jumped in before I really knew just how many great tables were out there and I could have had a lot more fun exploring with the intention to buy instead of exploring just out of curiosity as I do now. I may still have ended up with the Classic but probably not after I heard the Well Tempered GTA Amadeus, for example. There are SO many great tables out there now.

And that is my project for the next year or so. Finding every table out there and playing with them and listening to them and just enjoying them. That's what this hobby used to be about. Enjoyment of music and enjoyment of equipment.
 
Confrontational threadcrapping by the legion of 1200 fanboys will end. I'm prepared to start benching some folks.
 
What technologies are you referring to and what year were they implemented?

Hmm, where to start? Well..

First, lets not put a motor right near the tonearm, rigidly attached to a hollow plinth.

Second, lets not put the motor right under the platter, necessitating a hollow box around and everything else that resonantes.

Third, heck, lets isolate the motor entirely from the platter bearing/arm! Good idea, why didn't we think of it sooner?

Fourth. Lets use simple physics like inertia and mass instead of correcting the things that go wrong when you don't with a bunch of ICs and other electronic gizmos that do nothing but once again, lead to a system that's harder to kill vibration and resonance in. Because, you know, a skeletal frame doesn't vibrate because its not there to vibrate, or a solid, mass-damped, system absorbs its own vibration. A hollow shell doesn't.

Fifth, lets pay more attention to arm resonance than we used to. Heck, lets make straight, light, rigid arms. Yeah, they were doing this...but today's arms are way better than much of the mass market ones of yore.

Lets pay more attention to bearings! Maybe even use magnetic or air bearings. Or the strange but ingenious 3-point bearing the WTRP. Some of these ideas are old as well, but they were in high-end tables.

So what do we have? We have an entire turntable industry now that gets to focus on nothing but refining the turning of a record and reading the grooves. Instead of pleasing the most people with convenience and not "looking strange so I won't buy it", instead of making something easily repeatable in manufacturing over 100,000 units. Instead of sticking to tradition because out of the box thinking doesn't sell. Instead of thinking that everything that has been is the best it ever is going to be.

But its all just silly to type when all you have to do is listen. But you have to be willing to do that.

Ok, enough feeding the troll. Off to work on a Sunday. Coffee!!!!
 
Hmm, where to start? Well..

First, lets not put a motor right near the tonearm, rigidly attached to a hollow plinth.

Second, lets not put the motor right under the platter, necessitating a hollow box around and everything else that resonantes.

Third, heck, lets isolate the motor entirely from the platter bearing/arm! Good idea, why didn't we think of it sooner?

Fourth. Lets use simple physics like inertia and mass instead of correcting the things that go wrong when you don't with a bunch of ICs and other electronic gizmos that do nothing but once again, lead to a system that's harder to kill vibration and resonance in. Because, you know, a skeletal frame doesn't vibrate because its not there to vibrate, or a solid, mass-damped, system absorbs its own vibration. A hollow shell doesn't.

Fifth, lets pay more attention to arm resonance than we used to. Heck, lets make straight, light, rigid arms. Yeah, they were doing this...but today's arms are way better than much of the mass market ones of yore.

Lets pay more attention to bearings! Maybe even use magnetic or air bearings. Or the strange but ingenious 3-point bearing the WTRP. Some of these ideas are old as well, but they were in high-end tables.!

Thanks. Do you have any dates (years) for these? Aren't most of these designs, not technologies?
 
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