Modified Vintage, or High End Modern Technology

grooveman said:
JohnVF.....Nice quick comeback and tech info!
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I'm certainly no tech but I took a few physics classes and have listened to a lot of tables new and old. There are excellent vintage tables, many of which have been modified with current lines of thinking on getting rid of resonance/vibration in the system.

I see a LOT of things touted on audiokarma that were nothing more than marketing wizardry. I work in marketing. You get to a point where you can smell that crap a mile away. When I opened up my Pioneer PL-630 to clean the switches inside, it was filled with something. You know what it was? Marketing. The entire plinth was hollow and filled with circuit boards and auto-this and soldered that and switch this and meter that. All so that a sales sheet or brochure could tout something that somebody else didn't have.

Such as bragging about speed electronically controlled to the nth degree when you could achieve speed to the nth degree with a big heavy platter and inertia but no, its impossible to market inertia because it belongs to the universe.

You want to lose your religion with the mass market gear of 40 years ago? Work in advertising/marketing :). One of the best things you can do in any pursuit is lose the attention of the masses so that you can focus on the things that actually matter instead of focusing on the things that sell.
 
There are many tables at numerous price points but it has been mentioned that ~$2000 is the entry level to a turntable that will compete with very nice vintage gear. That's fine there are more tables at price points above that and well below the outrageous prices some tables sell for.

A mention of the Well Tempered is probably a good place to start if you have a dealer nearby with that line. If not, what does your local dealer sell against the WT GTA?

Curious if you have extracted the largest amount of improvement with the selection of cartridges for the tables you have.

Interesting dilemma you have there, lots of ways to go.

JohnVF said:
When I opened up my Pioneer PL-630 to clean the switches inside, it was filled with something. You know what it was? Marketing. The entire plinth was hollow and filled with circuit boards and auto-this and soldered that and switch this and meter that. All so that a sales sheet or brochure could tout something that somebody else didn't have.
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I thought what they had that others didn't was the analog meter.
 
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Since you've always been into Thorens...why not give the TD-124 a try? I know I've been thinking about it :scratch2:
 
Blue Shadow said:
There are many tables at numerous price points but it has been mentioned that ~$2000 is the entry level to a turntable that will compete with very nice vintage gear. That's fine there are more tables at price points above that and well below the outrageous prices some tables sell for.

A mention of the Well Tempered is probably a good place to start if you have a dealer nearby with that line. If not, what does your local dealer sell against the WT GTA?

Curious if you have extracted the largest amount of improvement with the selection of cartridges for the tables you have.

Interesting dilemma you have there, lots of ways to go.



I thought what they had that others didn't was the analog meter.
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If the $2,000 thought is assumed to be valid - A turntable that sells for $2,000 new can often be found for half that on the used market. Compare that to what a truly desirable vintage turntable goes for, and the difference in prices between and old and fairly new isn't always all that substantial.
 
Bob_in_OKC said:
If the $2,000 thought is assumed to be valid - A turntable that sells for $2,000 new can often be found for half that on the used market. Compare that to what a truly desirable vintage turntable goes for, and the difference in prices between and old and fairly new isn't always all that substantial.
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I don't think the $2000 need be valid at all. Unless you include cartridges in with the total.
 
Jerwardemy said:
Since you've always been into Thorens...why not give the TD-124 a try? I know I've been thinking about it :scratch2:
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If I had not stumbled upon an excellent condition Garrard 401, the TS-124 was the direction I was headed. A custom plinth with tone arm of choice is quite appealing. :D
 
If I look at a Brinkmann DD it´s maybe possible to get a demo-ex for about 10KEuros. A slightly used maybe 6-7KEuros, I really think, never mind the brand, I would be looking into something in that area. Otherwise what is really the point?
gusten
 
One fundamental misthinking is IMO that demoing whatever it might be will get you any wiser. I believe that is rather easy to understand if one really thinks about it.
I have never demoed anything I have bought because it has no meaning to me, it will not help me decide.
gusten
 
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Bigerik said:
Great idea, Jim. I'm starting to shop for, or at least plan to shop for, my next table. Sooo many great new tables out there now. The Rega RP6 or RP8 seems very nice, for instance.
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If I had your tables,Jim,Id be happy as a clam.But I agree that the new RP6 or RP8 look very,very tempting,and at very good price points.
Jimmy
 
If you're a record archivist and listen to all formats. Then a KAB Technics 1200 is probably the best and most versitile table out there. However.....not everyone has a need for this kind of flexibility in play back. And are only interested in achieving the best sound they can within their given budget, with the turntable they choose to use/own.

Yes.....larger cities like Chicago, offer the advantages of having audio stores, which allow the interested buyer to audition equipment at. Whereas more rural areas might not. However.....there's always the reputable online sellers like Acoustic Sounds and Music Direct to purchase new turntables from, if you choose to do so. With the ability to return them at your own expense, if you're not satisfied. Audiogon is another option for picking up great used gear as well.
 
Enough with the personal attacks. Not only is this thread very close to being closed, a couple of guys are going to get some bench time too.
 
A while back I got to do a lengthy audition of a Nottingham Ace Space Deck table with a Benz cart(dont remember which one).It was damned near amazing.
Jimmy
 
After over fifty posts on this subject with the usual suspects making claims and accusations. Alot of sound and fury, signifying nothing, it basically comes down to this;

you pays your money and you takes your chances!

Jon
 
Well of course I would recommend a garrard 401 but for newer tables the VPI scoutmaster rim drive and the Avid diva II sp are on my short list of tables to listen to. I really like idler drives which makes the rim drive VPI peak my interest but I love , I mean LOVE the looks of the Avid diva,even more so then the higher end Avid's.

Good luck!
 
My plan is to compromise: KD-500 w/ 'old' technology. Audiomods arm for 'new' technology. The Audiomods arm kit is <$400 shipped. Based on overall statements from both 'camps' this seems like the best approach for competing with <$2-3k new.
 
JohnVF said:
You want to lose your religion with the mass market gear of 40 years ago? Work in advertising/marketing :). One of the best things you can do in any pursuit is lose the attention of the masses so that you can focus on the things that actually matter instead of focusing on the things that sell.
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The owner of an old Hi-Fi shop in Burbank,CA told me something 35 years ago about marketing that I still remember:
Figures dont lie,but liars can figure.
Jimmy
 
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