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Modified Vintage, or High End Modern Technology

The main rig is shut down for the night, and it's been a long arduous day due to the weather. I'm beat, however a vintage revelation has presented it's self to me tonight, so look for the results of my revelation in the AM.
Good Evening,
Jim
 
ehoove said:
The main rig is shut down for the night, and it's been a long arduous day due to the weather. I'm beat, however a vintage revelation has presented it's self to me tonight, so look for the results of my revelation in the AM.
Good Evening,
Jim
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Not fair, Jim.

I wonder if I can find your phone number... :D
 
Bigerik said:
Not fair, Jim.

I wonder if I can find your phone number... :D
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Just not right leaving us hanging like that with a teaser and all. Maybe I ought to post his phone number.

Nah, not the first time folks have made us wait.

Interesting that it has finally been discussed calmly that all the old stuff (new stuff) is not junk and all the new stuff (old stuff) is the way to go. This is just what we have determined in this thread. Be nice if this were seen more often.
 
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Blue Shadow said:
Just not right leaving us hanging like that with a teaser and all. Maybe I ought to post his phone number.

Nah, not the first time folks have made us wait.

Interesting that it has finally been discussed calmly that all the old stuff (new stuff) in not junk and all the new stuff (old stuff) is the way to go. This is just wrong as we have determined in this thread. Be nice if this were seen more often.
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Get used to it. You'll be seeing more of this in the future.

And if we are gonna call him, we should at least wait about 4 or 5 hours, shouldn't we? :angel:
 
OK, I'm up have a coffee in hand, and a clearer mind!

This all started last Sunday when Ohioway came over for an afternoon listening session on the main rig. After listening to SACD/Redbook CDs on the Sony 5400ES player, I threw some vinyl on the TD125/Unitrac1/Dynavector DV20x2 (1mv) through my M/S Phonomena II stage. The output was startling weak to my ears compared to the robust smooth output of the Sony, ( though I said nothing to Ohioway at the time) and this is what got me seriously thinking of making major changes.

They eyes don't have it!:thumbsdn:

Sunday, I brought the TD125 upstairs to the computer room and took the TD150/Jelco750D/Denon DL103r down to the main rig. After listening for a while, I was even more depressed as the output was tizzy, thin, without lushness, and uninspiring. Now I was even more determined to make some changes. So I thought I would rotate all the tables through the main rig and possibly consider swapping arms cartridges etc to determine which rig would be the unit to take on the newer modern design table.

Last night I fired up the main rig, and thought why not dial back the cartridge loading to see if that was the issue. It was at this point I realized as I gazed at the owners manual, and not the tiny print on the back of the phonomena that I had misread the print on the Phonomena to read 100 instead of 100k!:yikes:

No wonder I was underwhelmed, and a total smuck for not realizing there was a loading problem. After last nights session I can now attest that all my hard work on the TD150 did not go to waste. That rig sounds gorgeous - solid warm bass super smooth silky midrange and very nice top end with lot's of air but not quite as extended as my other moving coils. Background is dead silent, and soundstage is deep and focused.

Sooo. It would appear to me I will have to save a bit more money to justify the outlay to see a huge improvement. I will also have some fun trying combinations of tables/arms/cartridges to come up with the best combination for the main rig, which will become the contender in the upcoming face off to determine whether the outlay justifies the end result to my aging ears.

Not sure where this journey will take me, but like all things audio for those of us with open minds the journey is a huge part of the enjoyment.:D

Relieved,
Jim
 
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We look forward to seeing what eventuates. :yes:

Oh and don't be too alarmed if the telephone rings at 02:00 in the morning. :smoke:
 
If it is International Long Distance from Oz, I will definitely answer it my friend!
Regards,
Jim
 
Middle of the night telephone harassment is on your dime! :D
Regards,
Jim
 
My new squirrel drive turntable renders everything else old hat. Costs peanuts to operate. :D
 
Bigerik said:
Yup. Any drive system, well implemented, can make for an excellent turntable.
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Oh of course if you throw enough money at it. But I guess my point would be that the expense to make a modern one good would negate your point that it's of no consequence.

Marc mc
 
marc mc said:
Oh of course if you throw enough money at it. But I guess my point would be that the expense to make a modern one good would negate your point that it's of no consequence.

Marc mc
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From an operational perspective, it still is of no consequence. Any if the three, if done well, can sound great.
 
Bigerik said:
From an operational perspective, it still is of no consequence. Any if the three, if done well, can sound great.
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Agreed, But the thread is called Modified Vintage, or High End Modern Technology. So while I agree that any drive done correctly can work exceptionally well, I would add that it cost major dollars for DD's and belt drives to overcome the obstacles that some relic idlers overcame from the beginning.

The Raven and the Kuzma use 3 motors to turn the platter and achieve perfect inertia, Helmut's motors and speed curcuit designs are extremely complex, Acutus uses an external power supply that could make a pig rotate at the right speed and all cost a fortune. So if many feel that a few of the old idlers can at least get an invite to the party with modern monsters. And can be picked up for pennies in comparison with only their drive systems and an 8lb platter going for them. Well let's just say maybe the old way was the short cut to today and we just caught up.

Marc mc
 
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Marc,
Don't get me wrong, if a TD124 (my Preference Idler)or Garrard 301/401 comes my way for decent money it would join the stable or replace one of my present steeds. However my mindset is to explore what modern design has to offer, but it doesn't mean I I could not end up with a TD124 and a Raven as my two tables!
Regards,
Jim
 
VPI has a great solution for you. Just open the wallet up wide! :)

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Come on Erik it's only money!! :^)
Regards,
Jim
 
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