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More food for thought. Something i think most of us considered.

The ADS speakers may surprise you if you haven't spent much time with them yet. I keep an eye out for the larger ADS speakers. The smaller L570/2's I have sound nice.
I've heard a lot of good things about them.I found a pair ($24.99) in pretty good condition at a thrift a couple of years ago.They are oddly enough missing the fuse and fuse caps in the back.Have yet to listen to them.I had so much stuff that anything that wasn't working got put into the shed to deal with later. I got the Polks going ,next is the ADS.
 
I've heard a lot of good things about them.I found a pair ($24.99) in pretty good condition at a thrift a couple of years ago.They are oddly enough missing the fuse and fuse caps in the back.Have yet to listen to them.I had so much stuff that anything that wasn't working got put into the shed to deal with later. I got the Polks going ,next is the ADS.
I guess I should dig out the 7's and try them again connected to my sub.
I didn't feel the need for the sub using the 10's. They dig pretty deep.
 
When I started being a gofer at the radio station I got to go and do set ups for remote broadcasts and remote recordings for making LP's for Barbershop groups, Bands and Orchestras and even a few choirs. Then when the head of the music departments saw what I was doing and when I started college I got involved in recording Operas, musicals, recitals and concerts. Seemed like I was doing something at least twice a week if not more often in addition to makig reordings for a sound company and the radio station. I could make eough money in one week end to pay for a semester in college. Anyway I got a lot of practice and of course I experimented. That why I have Concert Grands at home. Because if I placed my AKG mics or Altec Omni condenser mics in just the right locations, what I heard at home was very very close to what I heard about 20 rows back in the auditoriums or Drama theatre spaces. During this period is also when 1/3 octave equalization came along and made what I was hearing even closer. There was always an issue though. No matter what speakers I chose as monitors even after voicing there was always a bit of coloring. That is till I heard my first pair of Mcintosh XR 290 line arrays voiced. They had those low distortion woofers that really made a difference and that line array of mids.

I still have some of my and my cheif engineers live recordings mixed down to 2 channels. The Bozaks still give the most accurate presentation of the concerts and the spaces they were given in, especially when I add a bit from the rear and side channels. But if you and I really want to hear all that is on those recordings playing the recordings on the stereo system using Mcintosh XRT 28's gives you all the details uncolored. The only issue is the ambience isn't presented as it was in the concert all. You lift the bit of the fog off the recording but in doing so use loose the taste of the hall. Thats why I keep my Grands, because even with the fuzzy slightly color upper bass and the loss of the ground shaking bass belpw 25 hz they make my old recordings come back to life as if you are seated about 20 rows back. The 28's almost move you to the 4th or 5 th row most of the time. Recordings were I to closely miked the performance its almost like sitting on the edge of the stage or standing against the rail of the orchestra pit in front of the stage. We called it the alligator pit at the local college and the pig pin at the A&M college up the the road a bit. The City had two Concert Halls and the 16 high schools had five good concert halls with out pits. I got to know them all well and they all sounded a bit different, with the oldest school in town having the best ambience but was the most difficult to capture a clear clean satisfactory recording. There was one that was almost acoustically dead which made it easy to achieve clarity, but with out ambience.


So I also had to learn how to make a silk purse out of sow's ear. This where to many recording mastering engineers make mistakes. They make recordings to satisfy the performer, director, or their own tastes and the original sound of the live performance is lost. I think it was Karajan that said every one has a different experience during a concert depending where they are seated in the concert hall, I can't disagree. So what's the answer? Only go to live concerts. Thats one solution.

I would say buy the best system you can afford and place it in a complementary space. Neither two hard or two soft with very few resonances and the voice the system. Room Perfect is the easiest. Then choose your recordings carefully. I tend to look back in time when it comes to classical symphony recordings. Swing and big band I just have to be choosey. Symphonic band I choose mostly military, well known university bands. and the Cleveland, West Point and Dallas Symphonic Wind bands. Brass Bands are from Europe as are Ballet companies. I could go on but I wont.
 
just enjoy the music.
We have a winner! You weren't in the recording studio during the recording and mixing. Heck, many artists weren't there for the recording and mixing. The artists were potentially high, wasted, drunk, tweaking, tripping, goofed up, and just plain tired when they recorded those hits. What the artists intended was to lay down some tracks and vocals and get the heck out of the studio!
 
I guess I should dig out the 7's and try them again connected to my sub.
I didn't feel the need for the sub using the 10's. They dig pretty deep.
Last night I ran four Monitor 10 with a Yamaha RX-V3200 (130 wpc).Low, moderate to loud and yeah I can definitely say the Polk Monitor 10 is what I am looking for. I like running four speakers and the comb filtering purists be damned.I listen to my ears not others and the big Yamahas can run four speakers very easily at higher volumes.
 
When I started being a gofer at the radio station I got to go and do set ups for remote broadcasts and remote recordings for making LP's for Barbershop groups, Bands and Orchestras and even a few choirs. Then when the head of the music departments saw what I was doing and when I started college I got involved in recording Operas, musicals, recitals and concerts. Seemed like I was doing something at least twice a week if not more often in addition to makig reordings for a sound company and the radio station. I could make eough money in one week end to pay for a semester in college. Anyway I got a lot of practice and of course I experimented. That why I have Concert Grands at home. Because if I placed my AKG mics or Altec Omni condenser mics in just the right locations, what I heard at home was very very close to what I heard about 20 rows back in the auditoriums or Drama theatre spaces. During this period is also when 1/3 octave equalization came along and made what I was hearing even closer. There was always an issue though. No matter what speakers I chose as monitors even after voicing there was always a bit of coloring. That is till I heard my first pair of Mcintosh XR 290 line arrays voiced. They had those low distortion woofers that really made a difference and that line array of mids.

I still have some of my and my cheif engineers live recordings mixed down to 2 channels. The Bozaks still give the most accurate presentation of the concerts and the spaces they were given in, especially when I add a bit from the rear and side channels. But if you and I really want to hear all that is on those recordings playing the recordings on the stereo system using Mcintosh XRT 28's gives you all the details uncolored. The only issue is the ambience isn't presented as it was in the concert all. You lift the bit of the fog off the recording but in doing so use loose the taste of the hall. Thats why I keep my Grands, because even with the fuzzy slightly color upper bass and the loss of the ground shaking bass belpw 25 hz they make my old recordings come back to life as if you are seated about 20 rows back. The 28's almost move you to the 4th or 5 th row most of the time. Recordings were I to closely miked the performance its almost like sitting on the edge of the stage or standing against the rail of the orchestra pit in front of the stage. We called it the alligator pit at the local college and the pig pin at the A&M college up the the road a bit. The City had two Concert Halls and the 16 high schools had five good concert halls with out pits. I got to know them all well and they all sounded a bit different, with the oldest school in town having the best ambience but was the most difficult to capture a clear clean satisfactory recording. There was one that was almost acoustically dead which made it easy to achieve clarity, but with out ambience.


So I also had to learn how to make a silk purse out of sow's ear. This where to many recording mastering engineers make mistakes. They make recordings to satisfy the performer, director, or their own tastes and the original sound of the live performance is lost. I think it was Karajan that said every one has a different experience during a concert depending where they are seated in the concert hall, I can't disagree. So what's the answer? Only go to live concerts. Thats one solution.

I would say buy the best system you can afford and place it in a complementary space. Neither two hard or two soft with very few resonances and the voice the system. Room Perfect is the easiest. Then choose your recordings carefully. I tend to look back in time when it comes to classical symphony recordings. Swing and big band I just have to be choosey. Symphonic band I choose mostly military, well known university bands. and the Cleveland, West Point and Dallas Symphonic Wind bands. Brass Bands are from Europe as are Ballet companies. I could go on but I wont.
Interesting read.I assume most of what you write about occurred in the 1960s.
I had some Bozak Urbans and really enjoyed them with period jazz.Concert Grands were always on my wish list but they never surfaced locally and now I don't have the room they need and their size is a liability to me.My Polk experience now is happening in a two car garage.
 
Last night I ran four Monitor 10 with a Yamaha RX-V3200 (130 wpc).Low, moderate to loud and yeah I can definitely say the Polk Monitor 10 is what I am looking for. I like running four speakers and the comb filtering purists be damned.I listen to my ears not others and the big Yamahas can run four speakers very easily at higher volumes.
They dig plenty deep. 29hz is what the specs state. I like the tight well controlled bass. Play a track with some good drums, I really like the impact the passive radiators produce from the 10's. I would like to try and pair of Monitor 11's. Supposedly the combing problem was fixed with them.
The midbass drivers are tuned a little differently from each other or something? They're a little taller than the 10's since they're floor standing speakers. Or a nice pair of RTA-12's! :music:
 
I think ADS speakers have a bit of a boom-sizzle sound, sort of a restrained and respectable JBL L-100.
When I had a set of the 570 speakers, I compared them with my Jamo C 103 ones and they compared favorably (I liked them both), but the 570s had a more lively sound, while the C 103s had a smoother, richer kind of sound. I preferred the the C 103s, and got rid of the ADS speakers, but I really did like the sound and probably could have been happy with them too. They seemed to favor rock type music and the c 103s were better for jazz and acoustic type music.
 
I believe most people know this.

We're only trying to get the sound we feel best suits our desires. It may not be "accurate" but it will be outstanding with the right gear.
I have been using a pair of JBL L5s in my main system for around fifteen years. I don't even consider replacing them. Could I find a better speaker" Yes but just the thought of doing this nauseates me because it is a rabbit hole I just don't want to go down. It would be time consuming, expensive and aggravating for me. I don't mind trying new things related to audio like DACs, newer tech amps, etc. This said, once I find something that really pleases me it pretty much stays for quite a while.
 
The ADS speakers may surprise you if you haven't spent much time with them yet. I keep an eye out for the larger ADS speakers. The smaller L570/2's I have sound nice.

Yeah, I have wanted to give them a try and have yet to have the time or room to move things around to bring in a pair of ADS 910's that I purchased quite some time ago.

That along with a pair of Reference Monitor IMF's
 
They dig plenty deep. 29hz is what the specs state. I like the tight well controlled bass. Play a track with some good drums, I really like the impact the passive radiators produce from the 10's. I would like to try and pair of Monitor 11's. Supposedly the combing problem was fixed with them.
The midbass drivers are tuned a little differently from each other or something? They're a little taller than the 10's since they're floor standing speakers. Or a nice pair of RTA-12's! :music:
Yeah they have nice,tight bass.I noticed one of the tweeters starts to crackle when you really turn it up.I have a third set of 10s with beat up boxes that if need be down the road I can cannibalize although I hate to since they do work.I'm going to the JBWeld on the mids to avoid the magnet shift.As much as I like Polks the mids and tweeter failure seem to be common.I had a single woofer 5jr that I gutted for the mid and tweeter for a set of Monitor Series 2 (ever heard of these?).Not a lot on the net about these particular Polks.They are similar to the larger 5jr.
Yeah I am familiar with the 11 and 12 but have never come across them.There was a set of SDAs on FB for I think around $300 recently but I don't room for more speakers,especially large ones and I have committed myself no not buy anymore gear.
 
That's my problem, no room for more speakers as well. I have heard of the series 2 monitors, but I've never run across them.
That second pair of 10's I have are pretty beat up as well. They're only good for garage duty. I do have drawings for new cabinets for the 10's.
I just need to find the time to make them.
My 7's are in great shape but came with no grills. So I made new ones using grill kits from Parts Express. I left the original pegs in place incase I do happen to run into a set of factory grills. I bought some generic Polk badges to put on the new grills too.
 

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Have bought a few speakers from reviews on the net. It wasn't just one review but as many I could find to base the decision on. I've had better luck finding used ones on my own. Unless your given 30 days to evaluate myself I wouldn't bother. The worse 2 were Golden Ear and Kef. Don't even remember what model was for the Golden Ears but they were over $3,000. Knew before the night was over they were going back. Could have been what I was using to drive them, the room but they were awful. The Kefs were the Q 950's. Fought them for 2 years then brought home a pair of TW 1A's and the Kefs hit the door and was glad to see them go.

Just saw that someone mentioned Jamo 103's. Bought them knowing they had scooped out mids(U shaped). For me speakers with limited mids were a no go. They sound very thin to me. The highs were very good but that wasn't enough. Mid range is the meat and potato's of speaker sound. They went back after playing with them for a week.

The only new speakers I've bought in the last few years are cheap Sony SS-CS5's because they were dirt cheap and I wanted to mod them. The best speakers I've owned have been used. The Cantons I use now I heard some in the one stereo shop in our area that sold them and they always surprised with how good they were.
 
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That's my problem, no room for more speakers as well. I have heard of the series 2 monitors, but I've never run across them.
That second pair of 10's I have are pretty beat up as well. They're only good for garage duty. I do have drawings for new cabinets for the 10's.
I just need to find the time to make them.
My 7's are in great shape but came with no grills. So I made new ones using grill kits from Parts Express. I left the original pegs in place incase I do happen to run into a set of factory grills. I bought some generic Polk badges to put on the new grills too.
I applaud your skills in being able to make new cabinets.Something I am incapable of doing.The grills look good as new.
 
The ADS speakers may surprise you if you haven't spent much time with them yet. I keep an eye out for the larger ADS speakers. The smaller L570/2's I have sound nice.
I had a pair of ADS L-630s, which I was quite impressed with. I think IIRC, that the vinyl cabinet covering is why I let them go. I also had Wharfedale Dovedale 3s that also impressed me but didn't stay. And I had multiple versions of the Polk Audio 7s and 10s and I think I liked the 7s best of the two. Some of my favourites in the Bookshelf sized speakers were the Celestion Ditton 44s and 15s. I spent a lot of time trying to find speakers that sounded great to my ears low, and could handle the volume when I wanted to crank them up. I thought I had found them with the Kef Concerto, but they couldn't go quite loud enough for me to be comfortable that I wasn't damaging them.

I have since settled on Kef 107s with 103.2s in the bedroom system. And Sony SS-G7s, which have been in storage for the last few years after a basement flood that didn't quite reach them. I'm giving my old Kef 105s with one of the Bose 1801's to drive them, to my daughter and her husband.

Most have said it quite well. Please yourself, and hopefully others who come over will also enjoy them. Someone had mentioned buying based on recommendations and I agree with him. I've never been really impressed by recommendations. In fact, I've mostly been disappointed by them. Eventually, I found the sound I was chasing and refined it over the years. Starting with Bose 8.2s, then Celestion Ditton 66s, Celestion Ditton 44s, Kef Concerto, Klipsch Cornwalls, and finally Kef 107s in the main system. I was quite happy with the Cornwalls. My wife found them too big and when she saw the 107s, she said I love those! So there you have it!

When I set up my basement system again, I will probably use my MC2205 with the Sony SS-G7s and the Bose 4401 preamp.
 
I've always felt that the gear colors the music in some way or another, no matter what it is. The idea then is to choose the color that you like best...

This is what I find most frustrating about all of this. There have been plenty of times where I wished a set of measurements was all it took to decide if something was good or bad, and it didn't even need to be listened to. It sure would make all of this easier, and frankly cheaper since there would be no need to buy and try. Reality is what it is though, and thats just not the case. I get that some people love the journey but sometimes I just want to get there without all that stuff in between.
 
Have bought a few speakers from reviews on the net. It wasn't just one review but as many I could find to base the decision on. I've had better luck finding used ones on my own. Unless your given 30 days to evaluate myself I wouldn't bother. The worse 2 were Golden Ear and Kef. Don't even remember what model was for the Golden Ears but they were over $3,000. Knew before the night was over they were going back. Could have been what I was using to drive them, the room but they were awful. The Kefs were the Q 950's. Fought them for 2 years then brought home a pair of TW 1A's and the Kefs hit the door and was glad to see them go.

Just saw that someone mentioned Jamo 103's. Bought them knowing they had scooped out mids(U shaped). For me speakers with limited mids were a no go. They sound very thin to me. The highs were very good but that wasn't enough. Mid range is the meat and potato's of speaker sound. They went back after playing with them for a week.

The only new speakers I've bought in the last few years are cheap Sony SS-CS5's because they were dirt cheap and I wanted to mod them. The best speakers I've owned have been used. The Cantons I use now I heard some in the one stereo shop in our area that sold them and they always surprised with how good they were.
I don't really find my C 103 speakers to be lacking in mids. I have 3 pairs of speakers hooked up to my system (in different rooms) and I find my Klipsch RP600m mkII speakers to have less strong midrange and they're kind of bass shy too. I run each with a subwoofer, but the with C 103s I could almost be happy without one. it may all depend on what you drive these things with as I have an old Marantz 2270 receiver driving everything and that thing is known to be a bit on the warm side. Maybe those Jamos with more of a neutral/cool type amp would sound pretty thin.

The speakers I had that had probably the most prominent midrange were a pair of Quad bookshelf speakers (12L, if I remember correctly) but those things to my ears were a bit too polite sounding and lacked dynamic punch.
 
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