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My AK Fest Experience; First and Probably My Last.

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I just started to read this thread and this was probably mentioned: No girls (women ) around.....sounds like something The Wife would let me go to!!

Sadly, you're more or less right about the absence of females not directly employed by the event.
I didn't even ask my wife if she wanted to go. She would have said no, but if she had gone she would have had a great time. She loves music and when she's really enjoying herself, can't resist dancing. That's the kind of enthusiast that the audio hobby needs more of. Luckily for them, they know when the music is more important than the gear and tend to spend on recordings and not playback gear.
If I get the joint straightened up here I hope to host a SMAC meeting before the next FEST so maybe she will meet more people besides Pakprotector, Grumpy, Kamakiri, Wardsweb, Andyman and those she met at the 2004 Fest.
 
I think my wife, who visited most of the listening rooms with me and met a lot of AKers, would be offended to learn that there were "no women" at the Fest.
 
Even though Squdward said I was supposed to be a Japanese woman,
I really enjoyed my time listening to him, Kegger, other AK Members' rooms - they gave me inspiration to complete all my projects!
 
If anybody could convince you to get get going on your tube projects Kuma, it would be those 2 guys. Throw in PakProtector, MrClassicman & Dnewman, and you'll be firing up that soldering iron. :thmbsp:
 
I think the OP has some good points. In other ways, he's kinda off-target. The Fest, and all audio shows, are stuck with a few physical, economic and social constraints:

1. The exhibitors MUST be in separate rooms. Otherwise, demos become volume contests and everyone is miserable. Every audio show in the world is done this way, from CES and RMAF, all the way to Manchester, England, Munich, Germany, and Hong Kong. The "large hall" exhibits at CES are not intended for serious demos, and most of the stuff in them isn't dedicated audio. The real audio stuff is in the top floors of the Venetian, all in separate suites.

2. AK Fest isn't CES, and Detroit isn't Vegas. We can't charge $5,000 for an exhibit room in the Venetian, only $850 for the Embassy Suites. OTOH, attendees don't have to pay the airfare to Nevada and $500/night for a room at those "special" CES rates.

3. Expensive new gear is what pays for the show, and the site. Take it away, and you have to go back to 7 rooms and 200 AK members. I absolutely believe those guys had a truly great time, and I wish I'd been there! But without growth and younger members, the whole thing goes stagnant and dies of old age in a short while. Today's expensive new gear is tomorrow's vintage, and today's vintage is tomorrow's antiques. Once they become antiques, the price rises to beyond the level of today's stuff. Besides, The whole reason many of us got into vintage was to recapture stuff we saw and heard when we were kids and couldn't remotely afford.

4. When you enter a room, what you encounter is largely random. Because 3/4 of the folk are non-member walk-ins, you might see a group that knows one another, and you might see a group that has nothing in common except audio. In one hour, you don't get enough of a sampling to make conclusions. I know this for an absolute truth based on walking in and out of my own room at the Fest. I'd wander a bit, come back, and not know anyone in there. Other times, I knew some folk, and occasionally, everyone. Those rare occasions were definitely the most fun, but the other 90% of the time, I had to introduce myself... or just sit there and listen.

5. I'm fairly anti-social. Rich PA probably has some yummy pills that will fix it, but until that happens, I have to make an effort to meet new people. Sadly, I also have the worst memory for faces and names, so I frequently do my best "deer-in-the-headlights" impression when I see someone I met and talked to last year, and I have a damn hard time linking real-life people with their AK personalities. As a result, I tend to be quiet initially while I struggle to figure out who the hell I'm really in the room with. The point is that unless you're one of those lucky folks that auto-remembers faces, names, and AK monikers, or gets them all instantly, every time you enter a room is a small trial. I don't think I'm alone in this, and believe me, it's worse than being a newbie, since a lot of folk are wondering why you're not saying hi. As a newbie, if you listen for a while, then chime in, no one thinks you're ignoring them, and almost everyone will be friendly.

6. If anyone can figure out how to fill an audio show with interested women, your listening room at the Fest will be free, forever, and the existing membership will keep you supplied with all the hooch you can drink. The OP has yielded that it's not a valid criticism, but it goes beyond that, to the level of dreaming of miracles. OTOH, the women that are there are amongst the finest examples of their gender, IMHO.

For next year, we can do more to welcome newbies. I'm against the post-count idea; but perhaps a "New Member" sticker for anyone that requests one? That way, if you want some extra attention, you can get it, and if you don't, you can always hide in my room. Besides, we can put one on Eric's badge when he's not looking.

Other suggestions, like seminars, etc. all become possible as the show grows. If we can take the whole place next year, the hotel will care less about the doors being closed. We could have a specific area of the hotel for vintage, with members rooms or other rooms set up to educate in particular areas, like DIY tube gear, restoration, etc. That's a HUGE increase in size, and a risk level that will have Dave sleepless for weeks before.

The good news? The hotel already called Dave to make sure we're coming back. The exhibitors were so happy with this year that they're spreading the word for next year. 09 will be bigger and better.

To the OP, come on back and give it another try!
 
I have read every response and I know that from what I've read, I'm in the minority. But let me summarize a few points:

1.) It's obvious this is a guys hobby. I'm a guy just like y'all and I love good sounding audio. But I was mistaken to bring the male to female ratio into my reasoning for the disappointing experience I had. I guess I just didn't have a real good feel for walking into these small rooms with all y'all talking amongst yourselves and having a good time. When I walked in not knowing a single soul, I just felt like I was interrupting. Its much easier for me to approach women in this type of setting than men. Thus it made it doubly hard to feel at ease. But regardless, this was not the reason I started this thread so please disregard any comments pertaining to the the lack of women at the AK Fest. That was an inappropriate comment and certainly not any ones fault or something that I should have taken issue with.

2.) Perhaps I walked in with certain expectations when I should have had an open mind. But I can't help the feel and vibe I got. I was definitely an outsider there. It was quite clear this was a family and I just didn't get the feeling I was related. This is probably what caused me to to not enjoy it as much as I was expecting to. I've been to many a show and expo type setups. I never been to one that had such a inner-circle type setting and i guess i was not prepared for such.

3.) The layout was not at all what I was expecting. Small listening rooms I expected. I just didn't realize that EVERY room was going to be a small motel type room. I thought it was going to be more spread out and open. I was wrong though and this too, contributed to my disappointment.

So I just wanted to let you guys know that I'm sorry for not seeing things the way y'all do. You know the old sayin, that you can't please everyone. It sounds like most had a great time. So just keep on with what you do. It's not like I meant to rain on your parade. No sir. I just need to find my nitch with this stuff and I guess AK Fest wasn't it for me. But since it is "right in my backyard" and I know now what its all about, maybe down the road I can give it another shot. The only thing I would like to see changed is what I referred to in #3. I think that one thing would make it more noob friendly.

Well, I've read most of the posts in this thread and think this one by the OP petty much sums a lot of it up, at least for him; he just expected something different and rather than go with the flow, seemed to shut down.

FWIW, the expectation that it would be like the Great North American Auto Show speaks volumes, since these two events are practically diametrically opposed. One is a mega million dollar extravaganza promoted by some of the biggest companies in the world with a spare no expense attitude and a desire to seduce you into showrooms at a later date with smarmy talk and half nekkid wimmen. The other is a labor of love, scrimped together by a non profit hobbyist forum, and massively dependent upon the volunteer efforts of hundreds of hours by members to celebrate our common love of music and the gear that sings for us.

As to feeling like an outsider, well the Fest is really a lot like the forum; you just need the nerve to speak rather than type. Maybe the OP has more "keyboard courage" that social ease, but it seems ironic that he can post this thread, but not ask someone to spin a CD or talk about the speakers that are being played??

Bottom line is that the Fest can't be all things to all people, and just like the forum, some folks prefer to jump in and post, while others prefer to lurk in the shadows. AK is like anything else, you get out of it what you put into it and I hope to hell it stays that way. We are who we are, and don't need to be reinventing this wheel just to try to please everybody, and certainly not someone who only spends an hour at an event covering almost a full floor of a hotel; I'm astonished that anyone with any interest in audio couldn't find anything engaging in all those rooms. :dunno:

All YOU have to do is turn the handle, walk in, and smile.
 
I didn't go this year. Turns out all of my money is going to pay for the wedding. I do look forward to making next summer my first AK fest though. As for the atmosphere stuff the OP brought up......I am only 28 but sitting around BS'ing with "old" guys about audio sounds like a good time to me. I picture the Fest being like sitting here on the forums only ACTUALLY talking to folks and listening to systems that are WAY better than mine. Rock on AKFEST
 
So, like, everyone's saying it's just a bunch o' guys talking about what they like...and they have their "like" in common. Frig! might be a good weekend outta the house. Did someone mention there was booze? And a swap room...er...for audio right? j/k...I am hoping that the year doesn't go by too fast and I won't be able to make it for the next fest.

FWIW, nice to see that a hobbyist forum (volunteers) has made it this far and lasted this long in an arena that is riddled with forums that die as quickly as they start.

I think this is actually a great thread for a couple of reasons. It certainly has defined how passionate some people are about their audio/video, and gives a voice to everyone, regardless of opinions. Honestly, I have read many posts about audio gear that have drifted out of hand far faster than this one (and not to say that it's drifting) :)

just my $1
 
6. If anyone can figure out how to fill an audio show with interested women, your listening room at the Fest will be free, forever, and the existing membership will keep you supplied with all the hooch you can drink.

hhhmm.. I think I just figured out how to fund my trip and room next year....

Maybe not "interested" so much, but they do flirt pretty good...

Hooters as a vendor/caterer... nothing like a bunch of beer swilling old guys hungry for some wings with a pocket full of cash waiting for room service from a Hooters girl delivering.. :scratch2:
 
hhhmm.. I think I just figured out how to fund my trip and room next year....

Maybe not "interested" so much, but they do flirt pretty good...

Hooters as a vendor/caterer... nothing like a bunch of beer swilling old guys hungry for some wings with a pocket full of cash waiting for room service from a Hooters girl delivering.. :scratch2:

That's why I put "interested" in there. I don't think the OP wants to have to tip them, and you damn sure ain't gettin a free room for that! :D
 
Kuddos to the guys hosting the member rooms. These guys come to the fest, despite considerable trouble and cost out of their pocket, to display their systems for the benefit of others. There is no renumeration of their costs. They pay to be there, to the benefit of the fest. Beyond the cost, they also prepare something to show.. such as DNewman and Squidwards phono amp, Pakprotectors marvelous amps and Keggers amps. These guys are to be commended for their commitment and hospitality. Sure it's fun to exhibit, but it's also time consuming and costly. Nearly everyone sees more of the fest than an exhibitor, especially one hosting a room.. despite being there for 3 days. Some travel great distances to get there as well, such as Army and Retro. I enjoy seeing the member rooms more than anything. I look forward to meeting the members and spending time with folks that are there "Just because they love it"! They aren't there because it their job.. in fact most, if not all, had to take off work to be there. They had to pay $175 for the listening room plus the cost of a sleeping room. They exposed their equipment to damage and potential loss. As an example, Kegger trashed a tube amp as it fell while carrying it out. Nobody reimburses him for his loss.

Believe me, I am not saying this because I hosted a room and want to be thanked.. Hell, all I did was throw some stuff together, come and have fun. But many of these guys prepared for months to get ready for the fest. I say this solely because I experienced and witnessed first hand, their commitment and expense. They deserve our sincere thanks. Thank you!

To then hear negative comments, after seeing first hand the commitment to the Fest that these members and AK officials (Grumpy, his family, the moderators etc) have given, frankly grinds my behind.

If you aren't there to have fun, socialize with others in your area of interest and have a great time... please stay home. If you expect to take away more than you give.. you are sucking on the generosity of others. The exhibitors and hosts aren't complaining, but they sure as hell don't deserve to be slapped by someone who gave nothing after they have given so much.

Not everything was perfect at the Fest.. but it wasn't for the lack of trying and if I know these folks at all, next year will be better.

Lord, I hate being negative but sometimes something just needs to be said..
 
Well... ya can't blame a guy for trying.. :D

I just hope there is another show next year and that I can make it. With the way family things worked out this year, even had I planned to go, I would have had to cancel...

I look SO FORWARD to getting a chance to hear all these high end systems I could never afford, and hear all the member systems.. Not to mention getting to meet all the members I talk to daily...

Sounds to me, from everything I've read, like it was a hell of a great time!!! It's all in what you make it!
 
I wrote, but didn't end up posting, a response last night. But this is the best response I have for the OP:

I felt the very same way at my first AKFest for the first hour. Then I got to talking to another member, and it branched from there, and 8 hours later I had had a great f-ing time on my 1-day. I stayed the weekend for my second, and had 5 times the fun.

I felt the same way my freshman year in college for the first few days.
I felt the same way at my first job.

Next year, come with another AKer or by yourself, and talk to someone. Anyone. And let it develop from there.
 
... Sunday morning my buddy and I went to the AK Fest and arrived about 10:00 AM ...

... Total time spent at the AK Fest; just over an hour at a cost of $15...

... My first and probably last AK Fest, I'm sorry to say.
Just over an hour? Sounds to me like you didn't give much effort to get anything out of AKFest.
 
5. I'm fairly anti-social. Rich PA probably has some yummy pills that will fix it, but until that happens, I have to make an effort to meet new people. Sadly, I also have the worst memory for faces and names, so I frequently do my best "deer-in-the-headlights" impression when I see someone I met and talked to last year, and I have a damn hard time linking real-life people with their AK personalities. As a result, I tend to be quiet initially while I struggle to figure out who the hell I'm really in the room with. The point is that unless you're one of those lucky folks that auto-remembers faces, names, and AK monikers, or gets them all instantly, every time you enter a room is a small trial. I don't think I'm alone in this,

Oh God...you've been inside my mind... :yikes: I absolutely HATE this. I was at a park dedication the other day and couldn't figure out who I was talking to. Turned out he was an administrator of a federal agency who I have met and been at meetings with several times. He remembered me instantly. Somehow I fake my way through until I figure it out, or whisper to a trusted friend, or get them to introduce themselves to my wife. It's awful.

Are there pills for this? :headscrat
 
I did NOT get to the AK fest this year as the ETF convention fell on the same date--and I will NOT miss that !!

I WAS there 2 years ago however. I was one of the ones selling some "Stuff" there. I did NOT make a lot of money, but enough to cover my expenses and then a little.

When I first got there, I was not "ready" for the "protocol" of the fest either...BUT it didn't take long to "figure it all out". And there WERE several women there in 2006 and ALL of them treated me VERY well, and a couple of them even went "out of their way" to help me to accommadate my "space needs" for the swap meet. No "dancing girls or models", just some VERY nice ladies, with their guys. As someone else said--if you want pin-up girls..there are other places to go. As for it being "boring"...I was there for over 12 hours...and did NOT get bored at all!!

And THAT was at the OLD hotel..and from what I gather the NEW one is a LOT nicer...the old one was somewhat run-down, but I , nor many others did NOT care...The hotel staff was NOT nasty to us and we often DID get systems "loud" and I KNOW other guests on other floors HAD to be aware of the "audio nuts" on our floor.

And then too..we were "fed and watered" quite well too. Perhaps you missed that part. It was a VERY fun time. I recall a NICE pizza lunch , and it was an "all you can eat type." I am SURE it would have cost me at LEAST $10 for the amount of pizza and pop I consumed there--ALONE. Nowadays, I CANNOT eat lunch and buy a cup of pop practically ANYWHERE, for under about $6 at least. I personally thought the admission price was a bargain.

Yes there WAS a good deal of the "esoteric" stuff there--NONE of which I could afford I my wildest dreams..but that is the POINT of it--that super-high-end stuff there for the AVERAGE JOE AND JANE to see and hear , and NOT in some "stuffy" upscale store" environemnt. Just like Homerama--they have some VERY nice homes, that probably 95% of the visitors could NEVER afford--but like to LOOK at once in a while--WITHOUT feeling like they are "not welcome".

From what I gather, the auto shows are like this too--after all..who wants a show to just go and see a Chevy Malibu?? We WANT to see the stuff we DREAM of, and would most likely BUY if our "ship ever came in".

I guess one just has to be an "audio nut" or such--to appreciate this kind of thing.

Jack
 
It was great--it wasn't great--blah, blah, blah. Small rooms, no strippers, high end gear, blah, blah, blah.................................................:worthless

Dave
 
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