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My Garrard Lab 80 Obsession

Observations about the Garrard Lab 80 antiskate

Some observations about the Garrard Lab 80 antiskate:

The versions for the original Lab 80 and for the Mark II differ. The original one has notches into which the "famous" steel ball clicks, those click-stops providing a tactile reference as to the antiskate setting. The Mark II has visible calibrations on the shaft and a window in the weight for setting the antiskate.

On the original, the notches for the click-stops are not linearly spaced, so that the force applied by the gravitational pull on the sliding weight increases non-linearly as the weight is pulled from the one-gram notch to the two-gram one, through to the five-gram notch. On the Mark II, the calibrations are linear so that going from one gram to five grams, the force increase is proportional.

One COULD surmise that at lower tracking weights, the inherent friction in the tonearm pivots and trip mechanism would themselves provide some resistance to skating, thus making the tonearm system less reliant on the antiskate, the lower the tracking weight; hence the nonlinearity in the original antiskate mechanism's design. It provides somewhat less antiskate at the lowest tracking weights.

But then, why the linear spacing of the calibrations on the Mark II? I submit that it's due to someone wanting to create a "new" feature for the Lab 80 Mark II. Two years into the production run of the Lab 80, it was to get some "freshening" for the marketplace. The obvious visual elements were the new, enclosed tonearm housing and the restyled raised control panel with black/silver accents and fluted operating tabs (the neon pilot light and record size indicator were deleted). Operationally the automatic play with the short spindle was the big advance. Other "new" features introduced at minimal cost were the auto repeat of a single record using the tall spindle (invert the existing 45rpm donut adapter onto the spindle, and you'd "fool" the machine into thinking it had another record to play...works on the original Lab 80, too); a white pointer on the top of the headshell...and the visible calibrations for the antiskate. These "new" features were largely cosmetic rather than functional, so I'm thinking that the stylists overrode the engineers on the
antiskate calibrations. The evenly spaced calibrations looked better, even though from an engineering standpoint, the proportionately lesser antiskate at lower tracking weights was probably functionally more correct.

The Garrard Type A70, which was introduced with antiskate at the same time as the Lab 80, differs from the Lab 80 in having LINEAR spaced clickstops on the lever arm carrying the sliding weight. Its tonearm pivots are the same as those of the Lab 80, and its automatic trip mechanism is slightly lower in mass due to a lighter-weight operating lever, but (I am estimating) not all that significantly. The A70's antiskate part did not change when it was updated to the 70 Mk II. So, why do the 70 and 80 models differ?

And the Garrard AT60, which got antiskating that was fixed and nonadjustable (but referred to as "automatic" in sales literature) had enough friction in its tonearm system, largely from the tonearm return link, that it didn't need antiskate at all. Its anti-skating is rather like the gadgetry for its own sake which was to be "sternly rejected" according to the Garrard creed.

It's hard to get inside the collective "head" of those at Garrard Engineering at this late date; probably few if any of the "decision makers" are still living today. In the 1963-1966 timeframe, the company was undergoing major change, due to its acquisition by Plessey, then considered one of the major electronic conglomerates in the world, though one with little experience in the consumer field. I can imagine style vs. substance, "sizzle vs. steak" battles within the company. Many have said that Garrard's 301 and 401 transcription turntables didn't make a profit on their own but that their prestige "rubbed off" on the profitable mass market record changers that Garrard made by the thousands and sold to phonograph and radiogram makers. It's also been said that the prestige automatics such as the Type A and Lab 80, didn't do much better, if at all, than break even, but again the prestige of the finer products reflected favorably onto the lower-priced but higher-profit mass production products; and longtime Garrard management felt it paid off. But perhaps Plessey, wanting to maximize quick profits, didn't see it that way. Not long after its introduction for the 1964 selling season, it was already decided that the Lab 80, itself evolved from the Type A and the RC88, was to be an evolutionary dead end; the next high-line models from Garrard would be totally different, and of much cheaper build.

So perhaps some of the seemingly illogical design decisions made by Garrard at this time can be explained, though not excused, by a somewhat schizoid company persona.


Many Lab 80 owners have noted that the rubber ring providing the force onto the steel ball for the "click-stop" antiskate setting has deteriorated after all these years. On my recently-acquired Lab 80, this was certainly true! Fortunately the steel ball was still present on mine, but if it is lost from your Lab 80, it is a 5/32" ball bearing, a very common size found on bicycles; a bicycle repair shop should have them, if your local hardware store does not. Perhaps not coincidentally it is also the size of the ball thrust bearing located at the bottom of the Laboratory Series motors on the Lab 80s and the Type A/A70/70 Mk II! To replace the rubber ring holding it in place, you can try to source a small O-ring, or using a sharp blade, cut a slice from a piece of rubber or vinyl tubing or something similar. I used a 1/4 inch "screw protector" found in hardware stores (at my local one they were two for 61 cents), its usual function being to slide over the screws that had to be driven through a layer of material, so the sharp end would not scratch objects or hands. In all but one respect, it was the ideal choice when sliced to proper size to fit the "groove" in the antiskate weight. That "one respect?" Screw protectors come in standard color codes to denote size. The proper size for our Lab 80 antiskate, 1/4 inch, is WHITE...and the original Garrard part is black. One COULD use a black marker pen...
 
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Thank you GP49 for giving us some insight on our Favorite Lab 80 :thmbsp:

I just recently acquired an A70 which will now replace my Type A. The main improvement I noticed is the re-engineered tonearm for lighter tracking forces (from 0 to 5g, instead of from 3 to 7g of the Type A). Also the trip mechanism is more sensitive now than the Type A using the Delrin substance as in the Lab 80.
I also noticed that the auto cycle on the A70 is much softer (less resistance) especially at the point where the pawl senses the stack which so often makes the platter rotation stop if the idler wheel didn't have enough traction. I rotated both platters by hand for comparison test, and the A70 is much smoother. Makes me think that Garrard may have also modified its auto mechanism. :thmbsp:
 
Congratulations on your new Garrard A70! I know you play 78rpm records; you now have the finest automatic record changer for them. You already know from your Type A that the pusher platform is the gentlest and most reliable record-handling mechanism ever designed. The A70 (and its identical successor the 70 Mk II) is the last and best machine incorporating the pusher platform.

Post a photo of your A70, when you get a chance!

In addition to the Delrin friction plate in its trip mechanism, the A70 also has a lower-mass operating lever, made of aluminum instead of steel as in the Type A. The operating lever of the A70 is even lower in mass than that of the Lab 80. Under the chassis, the automatic trip transfer lever in the A70 is also aluminum with Delrin inserts where it rotates on its shaft, an advance on the Type A's steel with no inserts.

I have an early Type A (the beige/white version) where those parts have been replaced by those from the A70. I got them many years ago, when one could still order Garrard replacement parts; with Garrard in the USA about to shut down, I decided to purchase a spare idler wheel for my Garrard 301 and ordered some parts for other models as well. Those A70 automatic trip parts sat in a plastic bag for over twenty years, until I retrieved my Type A from my parents' home and retrofitted them. It may now be the lowest-tracking Type A in existence. I have even painted index marks on its tonearm to indicate the one-gram and two-gram tracking weights.

Still, the A70 is better. Its arm is of lower mass. Its headshell is more rigidly secured to the tonearm, and it has a better finger-lift! It has adjustable anti-skating. The bearings for horizontal motion in the Type A and A70 are the same, and the same as those on the Lab 80, but the A70 has better pivots for vertical arm motion: pointed "needles" seated under preload into tiny ball bearing races. The Type A had pivot shafts in sleeves, with ball thrusts on their polished ends to eliminate end play. So, the A70 has lower vertical friction. The A70's vertical-motion pivots are closer to record surface level, so on warped records, its cartridge has less fore-and-aft movement as it pivots up and down; so the A70 will have less warp-wow on warped records than the Type A.

Garrard policy was continual refinement, even on mechanisms that looked the same from one model to the next. It would take comparison of the factory service manuals for both the Type A and A70 to be sure, since part numbers would differ; but it is very likely that the reduced force required to cycle the A70 is a result of just such refinement of a proven mechanism. Maybe I will get out both of mine and take a peek underneath!
 
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Shipping a Garrard Lab 80

Many sales of Garrard Lab 80s these days involve shipment over hundreds or thousands of miles. There is always a risk of shipping damage to
complex mechanisms but it can be minimized by taking some precautions.

Shipping a Garrard Lab 80:

Garrard Lab 80s can be safely shipped anywhere if they are disassembled the same way they were when leaving the factory. The
cost to ship internationally might be another matter!

Most potential damage in shipping arises from the platter spinning around with the automatic workings engaged. This can
cause A LOT OF DAMAGE.

1: Remove the platter USING ONLY THE PROCEDURE IN THE OWNER'S MANUAL...doing it "the other way" risks the
thrust washers in the center bearing coming adrift and five little steel ball bearings falling out and rolling away
into oblivion. Wrap the platter and mat in bubble wrap.

2: Remove the headshell and place a stylus guard, if cartridge is fitted. Wrap it separately.

3: Remove the counterweight and wrap it separately. Remove the spindle(s) and wrap them, too.

4: Secure the antiskate lever with tape, so it doesn't flop around.

5. Wrap the Lab 80 chassis in a triple thickness or more of bubble wrap. Select a box of such size that the wrapped unit and its
parts will fit and not bounce around. Place the wrapped platter and mat into the bottom of the box. Place the Lab 80
chassis into the box atop the platter. With counterweight, headshell and spindles in bubble wrap, place them in the box, too (it's
considerate to LABEL them so the new owner doesn't throw them away).


The Lab 80 was supplied from the factory in this condition; instructions for assembling it for use are in the owner's manual.
It'd be nice to supply the manual to the customer, so he can properly reassemble it. The Garrard Lab 80 manual is available
as a free download at Vinyl Engine and at http://www.hifi-manuals.com/
 
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A vicarious visit to Garrard's in Swindon

I researched and wrote this for another forum. But I may as well share it here, too, among other Garrard enthusiasts. Besides, the formats of the two forums are the same, so it's just a matter of copy and paste! :banana:

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For us in the USA who owned Garrard, its home, Swindon, was the far-off place where these wonderful machines came from. "Made in England" meant something special. When Garrard's, as the British called it, was in its prime, I was too young to travel across the Atlantic to pay them a visit. And later, when I could and did travel to Britain, Garrard was virtually gone from Swindon; so each time I went to the UK, there was always something else to see, and no reason to visit Swindon at all. So I have never been there, and I suspect that most members here who live outside the UK have never been to Swindon, either.

The website Swindonweb, "A Guide to Swindon," has a historical section, in which Garrard has its own page:

http://www.swindonweb.com/index.asp?m=8&s=116&ss=394

In it, we see a photo of the enormous Garrard works in Swindon on Newcastle Street...and learn that they are gone, the site being "where the B&Q/Halfords Fleming Way superstore now stands." We are shown a small photo of the aftermath of the huge factory fire, still the largest in Swindon history, that destroyed much of those works in 1958. We see another photo showing the assembly facilities, where all Garrards, even the popular record changers, were literally assembled by hand. Swindonweb mentions other Garrard facilities at "Blunsdon (which) was a press and moulding shop, and the Cheney Manor premises."

Today we can travel to many places on the Earth through the "magic' of modern computers, software and databases, and Swindon is among those places. Using Google Earth, we can see what some of the former sites of Garrard look like today. We can also travel back to Garrard's history through the collection of the Swindon Central Library.


Here is a 1970s view of Garrard's on Fleming Way, west of Newcastle Street:

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The Garrard works, main entrance on Fleming Way. This would appear to be newer construction, rebuilt after the
1958 fire. I cannot be sure but it appears the large "Garrard" script and the circular medallion which presumably
would have carried the company's "lion" emblem, were added to the photograph, probably by the company.
There is no evidence of them in the demolition photo, below.

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The Garrard works, the backside on Plymouth Street. The cross street in the foreground is Newcastle Street. This appears
to be relatively late in the company's history and the letter "G" in "GARRARD" has not been replaced after it fell off.

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The Garrard works along Fleming Way, under demolition:

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This is the Garrard Newcastle Street/Fleming Way works almost totally demolished.

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This is the demolition of the Garrard works on Lady Lane, Blunsdon. Photo is from the 1990s, long after Garrard had
vacated this structure. The site is now occupied by a highway.

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Here is the former main Newcastle Street factory location, now occupied by The Range and Halford's, as mentioned in Swindonweb. This is the approximate location of the main entrance to the Garrard works; the street in the foreground is Fleming Way, the same as in photos, above. The "superstore" structure only occupies half of what was once the Garrard works; behind it is an open-space park, Spring Gardens.

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Here is Newcastle Street itself. Obviously the residences on one side of the street are much newer than on the other. No doubt this was once Garrard's property; with the redevelopment of the factory site, the newer buildings were constructed. The old ones on the other side of the street undoubtedly once looked out to the Garrard works.

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Unmentioned in Swindonweb, but known to those who had dealings with Garrard in Swindon for spare parts and service, was their Spares and Service department on Radnor Street, about a mile from the Newcastle Street works. In the late days of Garrard, I ordered some parts for my Garrard 301 from Spares and Service, since by then Plessey had taken over representation of Garrard in the USA and, unlike the British Industries Corporation, a US-owned firm that had represented Garrard for decades, Plessey did not support the earlier models. The building at 50-54 Radnor Street survives today and is occupied by an electronics company, Swindon Silicon Systems Limited (the building isn't wavy; that's an artifact from the Google Earth camera car, bouncing along Radnor Street!).

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Garrard's facility in Cheney Manor, the other outlying site mentioned by Swindonweb besides Blunsdon, is now part of a bustling industrial park. The structure itself, however, is nearly empty; occupant Deloro Stellite, a maker of protective clothing for industrial use, shut down manufacturing there in 2011. The company was acquired by Kennametal in 2012 but operations have not resumed.

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About two miles from the site of Garrard's Newcastle Street works are two streets that commemorate Garrard's: Garrard Way and Slade Drive, in honor of Herbert Slade, who was what we would now call the "Chief Executive Officer" at Garrard's from 1919, when the company moved to Swindon, until his death in 1961. Mr. Slade was well-known in the community and was a sports enthusiast, leading to the company building a large community sports field, now the site of Garrard Way.

It's time to go, now. We have barely enough time to catch the Cheltenham Flyer of the Great Western Railway to Paddington Station in London. It was the fastest train in the world when it was scheduled to cover the 77.25 miles (124.3 km) miles between Swindon and London Paddington at an average of 71.3 miles per hour (114.7 km/h). If we miss that, we can ride the stopping service which affords us a chance to view the countryside and the towns enroute at a more leisurely pace. The Great Western Railway's main shops were also in Swindon, dwarfing almost everything else in town (including Garrard's!). The shops built its last locomotive in 1965 while Garrard was still the biggest hi-fi record player manufacturer in the world, and closed in 1986, three years before Garrard did; but most of the Great Western shop buildings survive as a shopping center, and one is the Museum of the Great Western Railway. And in today's reality, we can't ride those trains: the Great Western Railway itself was nationalized into British Rail, and passenger trains now are operated by First Great Western, a private railway operating company whose regular trains take about as long to reach London as did the Cheltenham Flyer.
 
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Thanks for sharing Garrard's historical aspects. It was sad to see it demolished, but the march of time goes on :tears: ...
 
mounting on base and feet

Hello all,

I am wondering what other Lab 80 owners have done about mounting their turntables to its base - original or custom.

I'm exploring an alternative to the factory spec way in which the motor board sits high and bouncy on its spring suspension. Just operating the controls sends the turntable into a frenzy. I have to use my other hand to steady the chassis while setting the arm to play.

My first thought was to simply remove the spring suspension, but that appears to be more difficult than I presumed. The springs are pressed into a collar that does not seem to allow for user detachment - nor reattachment if I choose to put them back on later.

Next thought was replacing the retainer clips on the transit screws with a nut and wide washers and cinching it up from underneath, thus compressing the springs to about half their loaded height and inserting denser foam. The caveat here being that I'm concerned that the table being torqued from the diagonal corners might introduce a slight warp to the motor board.

Also, I am looking for inexpensive feet to attach to the wood base.

Interest in hearing any thoughts from the community on these two matters...


Thanks,
Hugh
 
I think if you replaced it you would notice less movement.Kind of like a shock absorber.
Very easy ---just get foam and cut to fit inside the springs,it should stay in there without falling out.
 
I think if you replaced it you would notice less movement.Kind of like a shock absorber.
Very easy ---just get foam and cut to fit inside the springs,it should stay in there without falling out.

I have another Lab 80 with the foam still inside the springs, so I am familiar with the suspension as it is, intact.

What I am seeking is to better, or, more firmly couple the table to the base than original factory spec.

I've done the same with other turntables, particularly my Lenco and have enjoyed an improvement....
 
I've heard it said that coupling the table directly to a very solid plinth gives a good improvement. I can believe it, but I think it would really need to be something solid that won't resonate for it to really be better than the stock setup in the flimsy plywood box. I did try running the transport screws down on mine to lock the table to the stock crappy plinth, and it didn't seem very happy about it. Where mine lives out in the shop, it sits on a bench thats right above the speaker so I have a major lack of isolation. Disabling the spring suspension created lots of feedback problems.


As for inexpensive feet, drop by the hardware store and see what they have in the pullout drawers. I'm using some that I got from digikey or somewhere, but they're just basic rubber feet like you could get at a store. I've also used those thick felt round pads that are meant to be stuck on the bottom of furniture so it doesn't mar up wood flooring.
 
May I suggest a denser foam? I cut a couple bits out of some sound deadening foam and stuffed it inside the springs. My Lab hardly moves at all. That coupled with my base eliminated some rumble I've been hearing. :D:music:
 
May I suggest a denser foam? I cut a couple bits out of some sound deadening foam and stuffed it inside the springs. My Lab hardly moves at all. That coupled with my base eliminated some rumble I've been hearing. :D:music:

Using denser foam was part of my plan. See my post #212

I think I am going to try both approaches and let my ears determine which alternative between; tightening up the spring/foam suspension and firm coupling with a heavy base minus the suspension.
 
I need to re-foam both the Lab 80 and my A-II. The A-II is particularly bad. When a record drops or I throw one of the levers it can bounce for 10 seconds or so before it finally quits. I don't believe there is any foam in there at all now.
 
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