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MY GOD!!!... Once again I kinda over do it.. :D

With the different efficiency speakers you have, and the measuring not an option at the moment, you maybe a good candidate for bi-amping... :yes:

BTW: The measuring aspect of DIY speaker building is quite fun ! ;) Cause now you can actually see what your ears are actually hearing !
 
Ashley makes some very decent gear. Some folks tend to discount Pro 'PA' gear but the specs on a lot of it now is right up there with the best of the best of home audio gear.

I'm running a Yamaha PC1002 in my upstairs system right now and it's an amazing 150 wpc. Apparently all the pro Yammie amps in this line are great. Cactus Bob runs a couple of the larger ones in his main system.

Vanishingly small distortion, very wide power bandwidth, loads of power, and built to survive life in a rack on the road. What's not to like. :yes:

Would love to hear the Ashley being exercised. :smoke:
 
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You need a place of your own, James...Alon Wolf, the guy from Magico, built a sub back before he was doing the Magico thing. He called it the Closet Monster. It's been a few years but as I recall it was 4 x 18" drivers built into the closet under his stairs. When he fired it up and tested it out he was breaking wine glasses 2 rooms away. I could see you with a setup like that.

If TerryO is watching this thread maybe he'll chime in with a better memory that mine.
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Hi Ray,
I'd say that there's nothing wrong with your memory. :thmbsp:

Alon has, what is evidently a congenital defect, in that he doesn't seem to have a very high tolerance for compromise. Just the same, the subs he built did seem to actually surprise him, even with all the numbers and sims that he had methodically compiled.

Back in the old "Bass List" days there were actually a number of people that built no compromise systems using NHT 1259 or Adire "Shiva" subwoofer drivers and (later) others as well.
There were numerous posts about cracks in the walls, falling objects, etc.
I believe (IIRC) that someone had built a fairly robust subwoofer system for the trailer he lived in, and ended up with just about his entire ceiling coming down the first time he cranked it.
It seemed to us that we were pioneers and the toll that the experiments took, were a minor price to pay for the exhilaration experienced.

Lee Neidow, a truly unforgettable character on the old "List", was known to be nearly unflappable and rarely impressed by anything. He had built, what he termed his ICBM Subwoofers to get some bass for his beloved organ music. As a life-long resident of the San Francisco Bay area ("the Cradle of Civilization") he had been through several earthquakes, but was evidently caught off guard the first time he fired up his "new" system..."HOLY S**T, WHAT WAS THAT!"

I've read a number of times on AK that people think that subwoofers are a complete waste of time. All I can say is that they (evidently) have never experienced what a real subwoofer can do for the bass frequencies.

Best Regards,
Terry
 
similost said:
Yes, using a Behringer CX-3400. NICE crossover. A lot better crossover than I thought it would be, and now wishing I didn't have to tie it up just for a pair of subs.
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Happy the x-o is doing the job. :thmbsp:

Now you got me looking into building some Lab 12 subs myself.
 
Thanks again for the great deal on the XO skywave. It really was the one part I was overlooking, and tried going with that passive. Just for grins I put the passive back in with this Ashly... not even worth the effort.. night and day.

To diamondsouled, in a way I am bi-amping technically.. subs and mains on separate amps, but I would like to split my mains out onto two amps too. I'm already thinking about getting another of these CX-3400s and one more amp. Id love to find another AudioSource Amp Two to do it with.. then technically, it would be tri- amping.. high mid and low..
 
I am watching this closely, as I "need" to build something similar to round out my XPL-200's.

The budget (and space) is tight, using JBL components is out of the question.

I have a Crown CE200 amp that is very much suited for the job.
 
I hate to say it, any time I've ever picked up a project I put a price on, once it gets started, budget goes out the window. It's never been as simple as it first seemed.
 
similost said:
Thanks again for the great deal on the XO skywave. It really was the one part I was overlooking, and tried going with that passive. Just for grins I put the passive back in with this Ashly... not even worth the effort.. night and day.

To diamondsouled, in a way I am bi-amping technically.. subs and mains on separate amps, but I would like to split my mains out onto two amps too. I'm already thinking about getting another of these CX-3400s and one more amp. Id love to find another AudioSource Amp Two to do it with.. then technically, it would be tri- amping.. high mid and low..
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You could triamp with the cx3400. Maybe I'm missing something about your configuration. But it definitely is a stereo 3 way crossover. You have to option to sum the LF to mono, or have stereo LF, which I think you would use with your 2 subs. You'll just need 3 stereo amps. You won't be able to overlap frequency ranges, though. Perhaps that's why you mentioned getting another x-o? With the subs right below the mains, I don't think that's necessary.
 
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HA! Those LAB12s hit damn hard with some grunt behind them. Great to read you're a satisfied camper.
Another variation you might try is to position them further away from the mains, and run the X/O in stereo, but reverse the phase ( L to R, R to L). Really smooooths things out.
 
Ok...

Sean dropped off one pair of grills.They are in pretty damn good shape.
I don't know how much this matters to you James,but the cut outs are shaped a little differently.Instead of the "slots" being squared on the ends like yours,these are rounded.
Sean has another set of grills that match yours exactly,but he said these are in way better condition.
They were the grilles from the Barzilay's I found at the curb with the EV stuff in them better than 2 years ago, and they've been stored in several locations since.

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Stephen J said:
Sean dropped off one pair of grills.They are in pretty damn good shape.
I don't know how much this matters to you James,but the cut outs are shaped a little differently.Instead of the "slots" being squared on the ends like yours,these are rounded.
Sean has another set of grills that match yours exactly,but he said these are in way better condition.
They were the grilles from the Barzilay's I found at the curb with the EV stuff in them better than 2 years ago, and they've been stored in several locations since.

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Oooh..I think we have a winner !
 
HOT DAMN!!!!!! Stephen, you da man for sure...

Yes, the end of the slots on mine are square, but those are so close it's not going to matter. I can't believe anyone could ever come up with a set of grills they would part with since they are so few and far...

I'll drop you a PM so we can work out the details. You have NO IDEA how much I appreciate you getting your hands back on those for me.
 
skywave-rider said:
You could triamp with the cx3400. Maybe I'm missing something about your configuration. But it definitely is a stereo 3 way crossover. You have to option to sum the LF to mono, or have stereo LF, which I think you would use with your 2 subs. You'll just need 3 stereo amps. You won't be able to overlap frequency ranges, though. Perhaps that's why you mentioned getting another x-o? With the subs right below the mains, I don't think that's necessary.
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The reason I would go with two crossovers is so I could still run the mains full range with one xo, and the subs on a different xo. This way I could run the mains without the subs and have full range. If I ran everything on one XO, then if I wanted to turn off the sub amp I wouldn't be running the mains woofer as low as it could.. it would still be a mid..
 
similost said:
The reason I would go with two crossovers is so I could still run the mains full range with one xo, and the subs on a different xo. This way I could run the mains without the subs and have full range. If I ran everything on one XO, then if I wanted to turn off the sub amp I wouldn't be running the mains woofer as low as it could.. it would still be a mid..
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You could do it both ways with the 2496, do you still have it?
 
similost said:
The reason I would go with two crossovers is so I could still run the mains full range with one xo, and the subs on a different xo. This way I could run the mains without the subs and have full range. If I ran everything on one XO, then if I wanted to turn off the sub amp I wouldn't be running the mains woofer as low as it could.. it would still be a mid..
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Yes, true.
BTW, you got the sub-bug in me now.
 
bowtie427ss said:
You could do it both ways with the 2496, do you still have it?
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I had thought about exactly that Tom, just swapping the crossovers... Then I could just change the program with the press of a button... but I think I could control the horns on the barzi's a litle easier with the 3400..
 
There are 60 preset/config slots available on the 2496 which store not only the crossovers but parametric tuning, delays, etc, etc. etc.

But, yeah, if on-the-fly tweaking is necessary/desired a front panel knob or two would be easier. Unless, perhaps, you'd do that with the gain controls on the amp. I do that on occasion with my stuff. Have a couple different tunings set up on the 2496, but generally leave it alone and turn up or down the gains a notch or two on the subs, bass/mid, or mid/highs if the particular material seems to need it on the fly.
 
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my kid is playing video games...and here i am reading about you listening to the rap channel...makes me want to take over the stereo and listen for a bit...Although i would trade my sub for your subs...happy listening simi...
 
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