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Nobsound E6 Preamp Uses Directly Heated Tubes

I recently noticed this new preamp that uses directly heated tubes.

Many people prefer the sound of directly heated triode tubes, though they are typically used as output tubes in SE (single ended) amplifiers. The most commonly used DHT output tubes are the 2A3 and the 300B, both of which are currently produced by a variety of manufacturers.

But preamps that use DHTs (directly heated triodes) are, as far as I know, very rare. This is the first time I've seen a mass produced DHT preamp.

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The tube used in the Nobsound E6 is the 2J27L, which is not very well known. You may also see the tube number translated a bit differently into English. This is common with Chinese and Russian labels. The actual label is 2Ж27Л. It's a pentode but it's connected in triode, as pentodes often are when used as a preamp tube. The tubes used in the popular FX are also triode-strapped pentodes.

One of the key features of the 2J27L is that its 2.2v filament draws very little current - only 56mA. Such low filament current tubes are often called "battery tubes" because they were generally used in battery powered radios where their low current draw ensures adequate battery life.

When I was breadboarding a variety of tube types for a preamp project a while back, one of the tubes I tried was a close cousin of the 2J27L called the 2P29L. In all, I tried about a dozen different tube types and the 2P29L was (to my ears) one of the top 3. The others were the 6V7G and the 1626. In the end I built the preamp, which I dubbed the Boogie Factor, using the 1626.

But the 2P29L was impressive and, although I didn't build anything with it, I posted a thread over on DIY Audio about the circuit I breadboarded since a lot of European DIYers are into Russian tubes.

https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/2p29l-preamp.336620/

Seeing that this new preamp used a very similar tube, my interest was piqued and I decided to give one a try. I've been listening to it for a couple of weeks now and I'm glad that I did.

At the time I ordered it they were on sale on eBay ($50 shipped) but I decided to pay a bit more and get it from Amazon ($60 shipped) just in case I decided to return it. They offer free returns and it's a very simple process. No need, though. I'll be keeping it.

I don't mean for this to be a full review, I just wanted to give others a "heads up" on it since inexpensive Chinese tube preamps like the FX are so popular here. Perhaps someone will do a head to head comparison between the two.

I don't own an FX but some may recall that I did breadboard the tube it uses during my earlier experiment. I tried it at the abnormally low voltages used in the FX and also at higher voltages, closer to what the tube data sheet recommends. At lower voltages it sounded better than I expected. Running it at more "normal" voltages was a huge improvement. Still, it was near the bottom of my list compared to the other tubes I tried. YMMV, as always.

I'm not very good at describing what I hear but so far I'm liking the Nobsound E6 a lot in terms of overall sound. It does require some break-in. Audio memory has its limitations but it seems very similar overall to what I heard with the 2P29L on the breadboard. So that's a positive.

And, unlike the FX, they claim that the tube is being operated at a higher voltage, supposedly 105v on the plate. When I breadboarded its cousin, the 2P29L, I was running very similar voltage (112v on the plates) and many DIY builders run 2P29Ls in the same range, sometimes even a bit under 100v. So, if the tubes are operated at normal voltages, that's another positive.

There some negatives, however. I'm not too fond of the layout with the input jacks in the back and the output jacks in the front next to the volume pot. I'd much rather see all of them in the back.

To some that might be a deal breaker. That said, anyone who has pulled tube amps from old console stereos knows that they commonly have their inputs in the front. I even have one whose input jacks are right in the middle of the chassis, surrounded by tubes. Not ideal, but I guess I've learned to overlook such issues if the sound is good.

Those who are heavily into tube rolling might also be disappointed. It comes with the Chinese version of the 2J27L which, like most all vintage Chinese tubes, is simply a copy of the Russian version. As far as I know, those are the only choices. I ordered some of the Russian ones from a Ukrainian seller so I'll eventually see how they compare. Most people seem to find that Russian tubes sound better than the Chinese ones. We'll see when they arrive. But, at this point, I'm happy with what I'm hearing.

My bench is currently occupied by a breadboarded, directly coupled SET, project which I've been working on sporadically, so it will be a while before I can open the E6 up and measure things. But one of the things I want to see is how they have the filaments wired and exactly what the operating points are.

Depending on the stoutness of the filament supply it's possible that the 2P29L can be rolled in safely since it uses the same pin arrangement. The 2P29L filaments run on the same voltage but they draw about 2x the current. Such a swap can be risky and this is not normally something I would try or recommend. On the other hand, the current draw of these "battery tubes" is quite low - a 2P29L draws less current than one of the tubes used in the FX, for example. And one of the FX tubes draws over 3x the heater current of the 2J27L.

So, if the filament supply is stout enough that it can be used safely, the 2P29L might provide another tube rolling option.

Another difference is that the 2P29L has a lower mu (amplification factor) of ~8 compared to ~16 for the 2J27L used in the E6. In comparison, I believe the tube used in the FX is somewhere in the 30 to 35 range, which is more than necessary in many cases. Some people complain that the volume control of the FX is too touchy - that it's difficult to make precise adjustments because it gets loud too quickly. This little Nobsound E6 doesn't seem to suffer from that problem. It's quiet too, no hiss or hum even with the volume at max.

Nobsound / Douk is also not totally forthcoming about another characteristic of the 2J27L. In stock form the tube is enclosed in an aluminum shell and has a plastic knob on the top to make it easier to insert and remove from its loctal type socket. Here's a pic:

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They obviously realized that a metal tube wouldn't fly in terms of marketing so they ditched the aluminum shell and removed the glass tube from it. It does look more familiar like that and I did the same thing with the 2P29L, which uses the same metal shell.

All the glow, however, comes from LEDs mounted under the tubes. None of the "battery tubes" I've tried had any noticeable glow due to their very low filament voltage and current. On the positive side, the LEDs used are orangeish and not ridiculously bright. Much better than green, blue or red, which just looks wrong to me.

While the description of the E6 suggests that you might want to try the Russian version of the 2J27L, what they don't tell you is that you will need to cut off the shell because, even if the looks don't bother you, the opening in the top of the preamp is too small to insert the tube unless you remove it from the aluminum shell. This holds true for both the Russian and the Chinese version of the 2J27L.

And removing it from the shell creates another issue that must be dealt with. These tubes use a loctal base which, just like the more familiar octal base, has a central locator pin that ensures that the tube is oriented correctly when you plug it in. When you remove the glass tube from the shell the locator pin is part of the aluminum base, which is discarded. So you need to mark the position of the locator pin on the glass before removing the tube from the base.

The description does mention that the stock tube is marked in this manner and that if you insert the tube wrong damage will occur but it doesn't give any background information.

Now if you forget to mark the position of the locator pin it is possible to identify the locator pin's position using a multimeter. That's because the pins on either side of the locator (pins 1 and 8) are the filament. So if you find two adjacent pins with continuity between them the locator pin would be between them. That said, it's probably safe to say that many who buy these little Chinese preamps don't own a multimeter.

I'd also note that while the tube type is marked on the aluminum shell, there are no markings at all on the glass tube itself since it was never intended to be removed from its shell.

So, while this preamp certainly has some quirks, you might consider giving it a try.

I'm not sure who developed it. Nobsound / Douk seems to be the distributor and their eBay listing shows it branded Cadisi, which I've never heard of. The one I purchased through Amazon is branded Nobsound. They are obviously the same, though.

As for the sound . . . I'm impressed but so far I've only listened to it for a limited time using a SE tube amp. I'll be trying it with my Aiyima A-07 Class D at some point I'm sure.

With the tube amp, mostly streaming jazz, I would say that it's very clear, open and detailed. This aligns with my previous experience with directly heated tubes. It has excellent imaging and the highs are very spacious and airy. It seems well balanced but, to be clear, I haven't been listening to any thumpy, bass heavy, material.

So only first impressions so far and YMMV, as always. Check it out if you're so inclined.
These Russian tubes strongly resemble tubes made exclusively for 3rd Reich military gear, not surprising. Britain also had a shield can cladding high gain small-signal tube developed for radar IF stages.
 
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These Russian tubes strongly resemble tubes made exclusively for 3rd Reich military gear, not surprising. Britain also had a shield can cladding high gain small-signal tube developed for radar IF stages.
Yeah, it's my understanding that the original design was developed by German engineers during, or prior to, WWII and that the Russians copied them after capturing equipment that used them. The Russians then shared the design with the Chinese.

I may be confusing them with another tube but I want to say that the Germans might have used them in tank radios??

I'm not sure which British tubes you're referring to, but these are not high gain tubes. The mu (amplification factor) of the 2J27L is ~16 and the similar, and better known, 2P29L has a mu of ~8. Of course actual gain will be lower than the mu.
 
Yeah, it's my understanding that the original design was developed by German engineers during, or prior to, WWII and that the Russians copied them after capturing equipment that used them. The Russians then shared the design with the Chinese.

I may be confusing them with another tube but I want to say that the Germans might have used them in tank radios??

I'm not sure which British tubes you're referring to, but these are not high gain tubes. The mu (amplification factor) of the 2J27L is ~16 and the similar, and better known, 2P29L has a mu of ~8. Of course actual gain will be lower than the mu.
The Brit radar tubes were red can IF amplifiers, PHILIPS EF50.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EF50
 
The Russians took alot of German specialists and settled them in Fryazino after the War . Alot of tubes were produced there , got some coming from the 50s , was curious about the name and type of tube. There's a declassified CIA document outlining the living conditions of the Germans in Fryazino on the net .
 
Did you take any pics of the other (bottom) side of the board?

I'm sure I'll eventually open mine up and investigate further but right now my workbench is occupied by my latest DIY amp project, so it will likely be quite a while.

I didn't but I can tomorrow or the next day. I'll include the bottom going forward.
 

Freaking fascinating, man! Keep this coming.

I love the history of tube uses. I've ordered some wrong tubes in the past, but I love the packaging that comes with some of them. With this particular tube, I would have liked to keep the casing, but I was on an expeditious journey. I am going to follow thru with my initial plan just to keep the look of those encased tubes.

I'd love to know if those Phillips have similar operating characteristics as the ones for this unit. I'll leave that to FlaCharlie...

In the meantime,

That's correct. I think this is also true for the -01J model, which adds a switch to reduce the gain. The op amps were added when the -03, which has tone controls, was released.

This is correct. The 01J was the mirror of the original 01, which was for a period, very expensive in comparison to the original - not sure about a gain switch. The J was the Japanese version... and in that interim of inavailability of the 01 before the 01J emerged, the Tube 03 became - or was - readily available, so people (me) started buying that one and the discussion on the other thread became somewhat conflated between the two.

The distinction between any 01 or 03 is that the 01's do NOT have opamps while the 03 does. At least that's what I've concluded after reading and rereading that $39 wonder thread over and over again. :)
 
Freaking fascinating, man! Keep this coming.

I love the history of tube uses. I've ordered some wrong tubes in the past, but I love the packaging that comes with some of them. With this particular tube, I would have liked to keep the casing, but I was on an expeditious journey. I am going to follow thru with my initial plan just to keep the look of those encased tubes.

I'd love to know if those Phillips have similar operating characteristics as the ones for this unit. I'll leave that to FlaCharlie...

In the meantime,



This is correct. The 01J was the mirror of the original 01, which was for a period, very expensive in comparison to the original - not sure about a gain switch. The J was the Japanese version... and in that interim of inavailability of the 01 before the 01J emerged, the Tube 03 became - or was - readily available, so people (me) started buying that one and the discussion on the other thread became somewhat conflated between the two.

The distinction between any 01 or 03 is that the 01's do NOT have opamps while the 03 does. At least that's what I've concluded after reading and rereading that $39 wonder thread over and over again. :)

That's fascinating! I have been using a Tube-03 for close to 2 years. I had just assumed that it was just a slightly updated version of Tube-01. Did not realise there were such significant difference between the two
 
Do you prefer the E6 to your FX Audio?

Man, I'm telling you, that is a hard question to answer without betraying some of my closely held personal covenants about tone controls and such.

The first tube preamp I purchased was a dual function unit, the Little Bear T7. Initially I was interested in using it as a phono stage, but I liked it better using it with the AUX in. It has been in my line since I bought it. I have only taken it out briefly to hear the "true sound" of the FX Tube 03 and 06 and another cheap unit that uses the same tubes as the 06. Of all of those units, my modded Tube 03 has been my favorite to use with it. It provides just the gain I need from that weak PC signal and the tone controls are something I value about the 03, unlike others who prefer the 01, which has no tone controls (opamps).

So now I have this Nobsound E6. I tried it w/o the Little Bear and it just doesn't have the gain I wanted. I liked the sound, but I wanted the gain. Back in went the Little Bear T7 and the E6 sounds great. I think I prefer it over the 03. But before I absolutely commit to that, I want to listen to it a little more and tinker with the tone controls a little on the receiver. I'm actually going to A/B it over my Christmas break from school, so I'll revisit it in a week or so. For the time being, I'm not in any hurry to put the 03 back in. And I really prefer the Russian tubes over the Chinese ones, that much I can commit to. There's just something about the Russian tubes in any of these units that I like and since I haven't seen any RCA or Phillips tubes of this type that I also like in the 03, I'm probably going to order another pair and make the changes to the E6 and the cased tube I talked about earlier.
 
While I do like the sound of the E6, it does severely roll off the low frequencies with the chinese tubes.
Can't say where the roll off starts, but if your speakers dig deep in the low end or you like bass heavy music, imo, this pre amp likely isn't for you.

It is definitely clean and clear sounding.
However, I manage to get that via my 12au7 based preamps, although it admittedly took money and effort to do so.
The tubes I'm using in my main pre individually cost more than the E6.

It reminds me of running an MM cartridge at higher resistance than 47K.
Sometimes it sounds spectacular, open and airy, but other times, lacking in "fullness".

Ultimately, a matter of taste.
 
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Does anyone plan on using a better power supply like we did on the FX Audios?

I was going to ask about this but wasn't ready to go deep, so to speak. :) This thing only needs 5 Volts DC and above 350mA, if I remember without looking at it. I plugged the usb into a 2.4A max powerstrip plug. It's working fine. I used the cable provided, but there was no wall wart, so I figured since it said connect to a PC or.... that the power strip would be fine. So far I haven't burned the house down and there is no noise in the line. It has been left on for days now. But some guidance on this would be fine...
 
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