Regarding Carver Amps.
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outshined
Super Member
Pure nonsense :sigh:
panhead
Mac owner for life.
Ive deleted my response as i see no use in continuing this further,your right & im wrong,TFM 55's are world renouned for having extra beefy transformers & massive caps & Cornwalls will explode with that much wattage being that they are so efficient.
My Amps had to have been defective.
Enjoy.
Huh?
How do you know I can't prove it?
I appreciate you allowing me to have an opinion. Very big of you.
I have three different amps or amp/pre-amp combinations in my living room right now. All sound completely different. Like not even close.
What kind of proof would you like?
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Just recently tried something like this. Until I got a borrowed pre-amp, I was using a portable cd player direct into the inputs of the Carver. Putting the pre-amp in line made a huge difference. Oddly, even though I am using a tube pre-amp, the sound was a tad warmer when I was going straight into the amp. Not what I would have expected. Fun experiment tho. Would love to try again with a passive pre-amp.
kichijai
Well-Known Member
I had forgotten the original question!
Carvers essentially have a full, powerful yet not taut bass. Theres not a lot of damping for top woofer control. Mids are where they shine, leaning toward a tubey warmth. Highs are rolled off, sweet, non-fatuiging. Completely the opposite of, say, an Acurus or Parasound. A Carver will be flattering to a wide variety of loudspeakers, but they are not "accurate" in the audiophile sense. I found that my Sherwood is the best mix of both.
beemer
Vintage Graduate
Can you tell me which model you have exactly....I got my information directly from Energy's website. :scratch2:
Best,
Paul :thmbsp:
No worries, Paul.
You are looking at the newer ones. I have the original 22 Ref Cons. 2 way. Seven inch woofer and tweeter.
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beemer
Vintage Graduate
88db 6 ohms nominal. I remember those.....you lucky guy... that's a GREAT speaker! I have a pair of Mirage M490's.....love 'em in the bedroom driven by a Nakamichi System One rack.
I'm glad the Carver makes 'em sing for ya. You should hear my a/d/s/ L-910's with the M-500. That's sweet. :yes: Put the same M-500 on the Infinity RSII's I had not long ago, and the thing rolled over and said "I give up". I always run at the highest a 10AMP inline glass fuse on the hot side of the M-500 just to be safe. POP! went the fuses at 1/4 volume!
Best,
Paul :thmbsp:
Just found the link to the 22's at the Energy Website.
http://www.energy-speakers.com/source/Pro 22 brochure.pdf
They rate them there are 86db, 8 ohm nominal. I doubt the first number and really doubt the second. They also recommend 20-200 watts for amplification. Can't imagine anything this side of a Krell rated close to the lower number being able to drive them. 25hz - 45khz. Wow!
Energy made some odd choices in the design. A small speaker that NEEDS quality source and amplification to make it shine. Lots of bass, but you better have an amp that can grab those woofers by the balls and really hold on tight. Bass down to 27hz, but they flop around like crazy if not well controlled. Definitely not one for the SET guys...
However, once you get everything right, they make great music.
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outshined
Super Member
Well, if you can correctly pick out 2 diff amps (you can pick 'em, as long as they are both SS; tubed amps are a totally different story) in a properly set up, double blind test, and identify a single amp with around 99% accuracy, then I'll believe you.
But what if you can't? Hmmmm....
kichijai
Well-Known Member
Are you kidding? I'll take that test along with him. Easy as pie. Amps sound almost as different as speakers. I never bought that Julian Hirsch crap even at 18. :lmao:
Hmm. Yorx all in one vs Krell?
outshined
Super Member
If the admitedly crappy Yorx satisfies the requirements for both amps (and that's stretching it, but useful for the point), then, yes.
Whats so crappy about the Yorx? Your contention is that they sound the same. As long as they are SS they are the same, right? So, therefore, the only difference between the Yorx and the Krell is build quality? Looks? Sheer Mass?
Sure hope that any Krell owners don't see this....
Snow
Super Member
So the new argument is that all solid state amps sound the same?
If so I will have to side with erik here. I have owned I dont know how many SS amps
probally 50- 75 maybe more and I have never heard 2 of them sound the same. everyone has a distinct sound whether its for better or worse, sometimes 2 of the same model sound differently lol
REGARDS
One of the most interesting tidbits of info to come from the old Stereophile Carver Challenge was the fact that on a lot of amps, the two channels of the same amp do not sound the same, let alone two totally different amplifiers.
One of the challenges that Bob faced when putting these amps into production was the the production M1.0t's only nulled out at 36db. This worked out to about 98.5%, if I remember correctly, of the same sound as the original tweaked M1.0t. Pretty darn close, but still not perfect. And that was trying to match the sound of his production M1.0t to the hand tweaked one.
So, imagine how tough it is to get two totally different amp designs to sound similar, let alone the same...
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