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Similost's Speaker Build - Watch this space for lots of laughs.

I still think I really need to work on getting another pair of amps done and get these bi-amped so I've got some more control over these horns.. They still seem pretty forward, and like I need to turn them down just a little to match up better with the woofers..

You have a helluva pair of passive crossovers to sell to offset the cost of an active crossover, too. I have read here about some of the fancy actives that have all kinds of built in tools to help set up and fine tune a speaker system like yours. I am quite sure Zilch has a preferred active crossover he uses; I believe his is the post I am recalling.
 
Well, it looks like a stunning 2 way system -
gorgeous cabinets and hand tweaked internals -
and these snow days to sort it out - !
... maybe I can talk you out of a listening test, once the weather turns warm again ...!:music:
 
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Well, it looks like a stunning 2 way system - gorgeous cabinets and hand tweaked internals - and these snow days to sort it out - ... maybe I can talk you out of a listening test, once the weather turns warm again ...!:music:

Of course you are more than welcome to come over for a listen and visit.. Maybe I need to put together another small AK get together. Give you a chance to meet some others from the area too..
 
Did you give them a listen while you had them? I'm thinking not, because I can't imagine someone wanting to sell theirs once they heard them...

Guess we're gonna have to see about getting you some professional help concerning your buying/selling compulsion...
 
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Well, it looks like a stunning 2 way system - gorgeous cabinets and hand tweaked internals - and these snow days to sort it out - ... maybe I can talk you out of a listening test, once the weather turns warm again ...!


Of course you are more than welcome to come over for a listen and visit.. Maybe I need to put together another small AK get together. Give you a chance to meet some others from the area too..

Hasn't confirmed yet, but I'm supposed to be in your area later this month- maybe we can make something work out? Yeah, and I can bring Simi some old JBL C38 cabinets for his next project...:thmbsp:

je
 
Would love to see you if you make it up here this month. Hopefully you'll have some fair time to visit. Let me know when and we'll make arrangements to be free...

hhhhmmm.. another project.. yep.. I need more holes to toss cash into.. LOL..
 
I had forgotten about this thread...

I love how excited you are! Building them yourself makes them that much better, doesn't it?

Man, I really need to grab those vintage speaker cabinets from my dad. Based on the things you and others have said about e-waves and thier like I need to build a pair for my future listening room (almost done).
 
Would love to see you if you make it up here this month. Hopefully you'll have some fair time to visit. Let me know when and we'll make arrangements to be free...

hhhhmmm.. another project.. yep.. I need more holes to toss cash into.. LOL..

Jean's school is entered in a science competition in DC, but with budget cuts & all they first cut the school mini-vans, and now are cutting the gas reimbursement for my van to take the kids...not sure yet if it's going to happen or not. I'll let you know- I'd only be free between dropping the kids off & picking them up, but it should be a solid block of hours- I was going to visit with Heather, but if she wants to check out your new toys, hopefully we could work something out.

je
 
Jean's school is entered in a science competition in DC, but with budget cuts & all they first cut the school mini-vans, and now are cutting the gas reimbursement for my van to take the kids...not sure yet if it's going to happen or not. I'll let you know- I'd only be free between dropping the kids off & picking them up, but it should be a solid block of hours- I was going to visit with Heather, but if she wants to check out your new toys, hopefully we could work something out.

je
I'm flexible - we can carpool from Fairfax to the loverly speakers!
:banana:
Once we get some snow-melt, that is!
 
I had forgotten about this thread...

I love how excited you are! Building them yourself makes them that much better, doesn't it?

Man, I really need to grab those vintage speaker cabinets from my dad. Based on the things you and others have said about e-waves and thier like I need to build a pair for my future listening room (almost done).

You have to remember a little something about what e-waves are, and what I built are.

E-waves were something Zilch had come up with to give older vintage speakers new life with a much smoother sound with a low budget in mind. Hence econo-wave.

His speakers were meant to take a stock box, keep the woofers, and replace the rest of the drivers with a wave guide and a decent compression driver for it. His project also is a very refined crossover, to smooth out the response, especially of the upper end. You will still pretty much be stuck with the bass response that is built into the cabs and the woofer combination.

I went way past those lines.. For starters, my build was way far from econo.... I wanted to try something that I knew would be able to take massive amounts of power, and do it with a clarity you don't often find in higher powered speakers. I sure surpassed my expectations with that piece of the puzzle as a goal..

I also did a lot of research and figuring to end up with the woofers I did, that would fit my box, and trying to figure out how best to tune them... I got beyond lucky this far exceeded my expectations, and I will admit, I didn't think these would have the bass I was looking for, and that I would also have to build a sub box...

Also, the crossover I used, is not tuned like the econowave crossovers are. These are something that Zilch has been using for testing other horns that aren't standard for his true ewave project. These are basically Altec Model 19 crossovers, that he has modified slightly and that do work pretty well for the intended purpose. I would love to have something that would give a little more control over the horn without having to bi-amp an active crossover system.

I got really lucky, and some people helped me a lot, and gave me a lot of guidance on what to do, and how to tune and such.. and in the long run, I closed my eyes and swung, and got damn lucky and hit it outta the park... I do believe though I am only getting part of the potential. I believe a better crossover tuned for this particular CD would be even better. I do plan to try bi-amping to see just how far I can hit...

I am glad though that I gave someone else the desire to try something different, and at least take a serious look at what Zilch is doing. If you do have the money though, I say take it over the top, because what you will end up with will be beyond every penny you spend. You are also right, the coolest thing about it is... I built them.. and that does give a person a certain pride.. and I believe it also makes you more critical of the sound... Kind of like at artist is so critical of their work, and it's never perfect to them, but they settle.. I think I am still going to be tweaking for quite a while to try and pull all the potential I can out of these..

I wish you luck, and highly encourage you to build a pair with what ever you can. No matter what, I seriously doubt you will be disappointed.
 
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Jean's school is entered in a science competition in DC, but with budget cuts & all they first cut the school mini-vans, and now are cutting the gas reimbursement for my van to take the kids...not sure yet if it's going to happen or not. I'll let you know- I'd only be free between dropping the kids off & picking them up, but it should be a solid block of hours- I was going to visit with Heather, but if she wants to check out your new toys, hopefully we could work something out.

je

Sure sucks to hear they are trying to save a buck, instead of giving the kids a chance at something special..

Just let me know what you find out. I'll make every thing I can do happen so I can meet up with you. Would be great just to get lunch and chat a while even if that's all you have time for.
 
I'm flexible - we can carpool from Fairfax to the loverly speakers!
:banana:
Once we get some snow-melt, that is!

Let me know when you're ready. Maybe Grilliebilly would be interested in carpooling with you too since it sounds like you and him are right in the same area.. Always up to visiting with local members..
 
You have to remember a little something about what e-waves are, and what I built are.

E-waves were something Zilch had come up with to give older vintage speakers new life with a much smoother sound with a low budget in mind. Hence econo-wave.

Not exactly. The econowave is simply a CD/waveguide based high frequency module. It's not just intended for vintage speakers or something prebuilt. You can put whatever low end on it that you want. If that happens to be a vintage speaker with a sick tweeter then you're right. However, the ew's that I built were new construction with a line array for the low end. I know some have done a new build using PE's prefab trap boxes and new woofers. There's also been a build based on Dayton woofers in a 2.5-way configuration.
 
OK... very true Ray.. but I was kind of going off something Zilch had said to me way back when.. So true many of the ones being built are completely new parts and build.

The econo part is kind of losing it's meaning to these any more with some of the stuff others are starting to build them with too...
 
Simi, remember that those crossovers and drivers all will smooth with a little time. Aslo, try stuffing the WG with that porous foam to stop some of the brightness.
 
I really don't want to try the foam... I'm not hearing the highest of highs like I would really like to hear, so I don't want to pull away from that any, it's more probably from the 5k to 10K area I would guess I would like to tame a little more..
 
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