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You miss the point. It doesn't matter whether it is artificial or real, narrow or wide, deep or shallow, tall or short; if the sound is produced by two speakers, it has a soundstage by definition, even if not by your definition.

You need to find/coin another word/definition for what you are referring too.
 
How about, "A real soundstage, not one that's artificial and usually sounds completely unrealistic.".? :biggrin:
 
Imaging, soundstage, envelopment, depth, it's all fake and a result of room dimensions and speaker placement.
Every once in awhile I hear an instrument being played back that sounds real which almost never happens. This is what is impressive, startling and enjoyable about sound reproduction. As I said it almost never happens because hi end audio is a swindle for dopes like us expecting something better to come along.
 
Imaging, soundstage, envelopment, depth, it's all fake and a result of room dimensions and speaker placement.
Every once in awhile I hear an instrument being played back that sounds real which almost never happens. This is what is impressive, startling and enjoyable about sound reproduction. As I said it almost never happens because hi end audio is a swindle for dopes like us expecting something better to come along.

A soundstage produced by a minimally miced recording is not some sort of phantasm that exists only in the mind a listener. If you don't hear one perhaps broadening one's musical choices is in order.

FWIW: A recording with a soundstage or not has absolutely nothing to do with "high end" audio. It's a product of the recording process.
 
A soundstage produced by a minimally miced recording is not some sort of phantasm that exists only in the mind a listener. If you don't hear one perhaps broadening one's musical choices is in order.

FWIW: A recording with a soundstage or not has absolutely nothing to do with "high end" audio. It's a product of the recording process.
We always have newer members looking out for all of us. They let us how we are being swindled and more $$$$ does nothing.
 
When I think about it, I own hardly any records of the type that were likely made with just stereo mics in a room, which is the one way, if done right that would have any claim of being something like a "real sound stage." I own plenty of acoustic jazz recordings, but even those ones which seem to be made with an accent on realism are all likely made with many mics, each closer to the instrument and then, even if no compression, reverb, etc was used for processing and even if everything is mixed live to stereo, there's still mixing going on and decisions made on individual levels, panning etc. It seems to me that very little music outside of maybe the classical world and various field recordings are made in such a way that they're only stereo mics used and that the space where the recording is made is reproduced as faithfully as possible. I have actually heard a few jazz recordings that preport to have been recorded this way... so called "audiophile recordings" and they do sound like they have more of that room ambience to me, but at the expense of the clarity and precision of individual instruments. I tend to feel that this approach is as much of a marketing thing, as it anything else as I think that recordings by the likes of ECM, Blue Note and the like are great (and kind of the gold standard for acoustic jazz recording) and I know that they were recorded more elaborately with multiple mics as you can see that from photos in of the recording sessions...

I'm not much of a purist it seems and it's a good thing, because besides jazz I listen to a lot of rock/pop type music that isn't recorded at all naturalisticly. Some of that music though really does seem to be recorded with a lot of care and even if instruments were recorded separately in different spaces, the way that everything is stitched together seems to me to create a real sense of depth. One that to me is far more convincing than "cardboard cutouts," but then again, my ears haven't been been honed by the experience of listening to lots of audiophile classical recordings. I actually feel that the way that engineers and producers choose to deal with issues of creating that "artificial space" is big part of what makes the kinds of records that they contribute to so interesting. There are many flavors of those kinds of manufactured acoustical spaces and their contributions help to give those records the particular flavor that each one of them has...
 
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Excellent example of a studio recording as well as the best vinyl pressings I have heard of this album, if you want to be in the studio listen to this one.
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Imaging, soundstage, envelopment, depth, it's all fake and a result of room dimensions and speaker placement.
Every once in awhile I hear an instrument being played back that sounds real which almost never happens. This is what is impressive, startling and enjoyable about sound reproduction. As I said it almost never happens because hi end audio is a swindle for dopes like us expecting something better to come along.

Nobody's getting swindled if they're getting pleasure from their investment, grasshoppa.
 
I've also stated how some cymbols can be "over your shoulder."

There are parts of Low Spark of High heeled boys by Traffic that crawl along my walls baseboards.

I find lively, brighter speakers that "can" (that can be turned down a little when needed) vs laid back speakers that do not are essential if you want the best of soundstage. Performences no matter where/how in person are far from laid back you need speakers that do the same. Many do not like the edginess but that's what live sounds like.
 
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Depends on the recording, but if studio then you have mono or multiple channels that you can pan left and right. You can manipulate near and far with amplitude and room size with echos and height with some phase trickery. You basically turn a knob and the "gestalt" moves around on the "stage".
 
Excellent example of a studio recording as well as the best vinyl pressings I have heard of this album, if you want to be in the studio listen to this one.
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It needs to be said that KOB is a minimalist type recording. It was recorded live to a three-track deck using less than a handful of microphones and a passive mixer. It doesn't suffer from the dubious benefits of being overmiked, multitracked and overdubbed. Modern Groove Note recordings are made in pretty much the same way
 
Two ears, two mics, two speakers.
And, leave the soundstage to the film crews. Its been their world for far longer than the audio world (multiple decades, or perhaps a half century prior to audio).
 
You can see Kind Of Blue being recorded here:
It's possible that what we see in the video is just a reheasal, but if it is I'd guess the recording was done in the same space with the same mics, same setup etc. It's interesting if you're a recording nerd. I'd say it's interesting anyway if you're just into the music.
 
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