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Speakers with questionable "upgrades"... post your findings here.

Not an upgrade, but some times ago I bought a pair of big, heavy Quadral Argent 80 loudspeakers. As the seller just moved in his new house I couldn't listen. He swore they were good and as he seemed like a nice guy I glanced over the speakers and thought they were okay. Hauled them home and up two flights of stairs (some 30 kgs each) and connected them. Hmm... an odd sound from one of the tweeters. After a closer look one of the metal dome tweeters was replaced with a cheap piezo horn that was glued in the original faceplate and then covered up with the original metal dome. Of course the seller didn't knew anything and refused to refund. Eventually I tracked down a pair of original tweeters and restored them to their former glory. But that was the last time I trusted a guy on his big blue eyes...

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That guy is just sleazy - I can kind of get the ignorantly executed "make it work" modifications, but this one looks like a deliberate attempt to rip someone off.
 
One interesting observation. Mod'ers like to use existing holes to stick something into. I have never seen a mod here that tried to use a 6x9 oval (for better or worse) as a woofer.
 
One interesting observation. Mod'ers like to use existing holes to stick something into. I have never seen a mod here that tried to use a 6x9 oval (for better or worse) as a woofer.

I found a deal where Walmart had 6x9s on sale for 75% off clearance. I garbage picked some 10" 3 way boxes that had no drivers in them, made new face plates, and put 2 6x9s in series in each one so they'd be 8 ohm. I thought they sounded ok at the time. Probably sounded like crap!
 
I found a deal where Walmart had 6x9s on sale for 75% off clearance. I garbage picked some 10" 3 way boxes that had no drivers in them, made new face plates, and put 2 6x9s in series in each one so they'd be 8 ohm. I thought they sounded ok at the time. Probably sounded like crap!
When I was in high school in the 60's I would put just about anything I could find cheap at the local Olsen store in a cabinet. I was listening to AM 670 in Chicago, John Doremus, and they sounded wonderful. My expectations were a lot lower then.
 
Speaking of hacking and Franken speakers-anyone off hand know the internal volume of the original Large Advent cabinets?
I have seen 1.5cuft.
But IMHO that seems small given the outer dimensions-and taking account of cabinet side/baffle thickness.
 
We used to upgrade speakers all the time at our shop. Both consumer and professional speakers. We would add a super tweeter to Bozaks 305's 4000's, 4005 and a short line array of super tweeters, to 310B and 410's. JBL, we would re-cone the woofers and up date the midrange horn or tweeter horn diaphragm. We would pull out the old bullet nosed ring radiators and install the latest models available. We might have to rebuild a crossover too. Altecs might need the 803B woofers replaced with better performing 416 models. 806 drivers with 802. If they kept blowing diaphragms we would go with the heavier tweeter diaphragms which rolled off starting around 12 KHz and add either MR 902 16 HF tweeters or the Altec UHF 950 ring radiator made for the Japanese market. EV was always an issue, because the T-35 and T-350 were so fragile. Klipsch had the same issues. later on we would use some of Klipsch more advanced tweeters to replace the old T35/350 tweeters in EV speakers. Georgians, Model 6 and Patricians. Mac ML and XR series were a challenge at first, but Mac came up with new tweeters from Phillips. Roger designed a crossover up grade for some ML models and XR models so Morell drivers could be used. Making a ML1 as strong as or stronger than a ML 2 down to 50 Hz. XR-7 that have been up graded are so much better. Contact Audio Classics for ML &. XR series upgrades. Altec 604's could be improved by re-coning and adding the latest most advanced diaphragms. Some times cross overs need to be rebuilt and supplemented. I loved the idea of a Paragon, but the original bullet tweeter was an instant turn off. I always wanted to hear one with the last of the most advanced ring radiator as a replacement. We used to combine Altec with the big drivers and the heavier diaphragms with JBL ring radiators, what an improvement. We would install Emilar drivers on Altec sectorial horns for the same reasons. I would like to hear some Corn walls and Corner horns with Bob Crites up dated tweeters and crossovers, too. Consumer brands like Boston, RTR, AR, KLH, Epicure, Celestion, Snell, Jensen, B & O, etc, we just had to hope they had a solution, maybe a new driver or an improved crossover etc. Bose was the most frustrating because their speakers were always perfect. Give me a break! Frazier was easy to work with. We never sold paneled speakers that often. 3 or 4 pair maybe a half dozen KLH model 9's were it. We would go to shows and listen to Magnapan, Acoustat, and Appogee, etc and we passed. our competition passed also. I re-coned a lot of Cerwin Vega. and replaced a lot of Heil accordian diaphragms, but never made any upgrades. Some times we would change a Klipsch consumer woofer for the professional model which would take more power. JBL was always upgrading their products as did Altec. It was a continual race and keeping up with model changes and which replacement parts could be used for best performance was a continual struggle some times. We didn't bother with Japanese speakers that much. Yamaha NS series was pretty well liked, Marntz were less well accepted. I liked some Tannoy, but they were to Pricey for are market. The competition sold B&W successfully. I never had to repair one. We fixed everything else they sold one time or another. There are so many brands that came along in the consumer market that I never saw because by the 80's. I was totally involved in the professional business and only rarely had to deal with consumer stuff. Then just before I retired I got involved with HT, Loved M&K speakers. I owned a set in fact. Never had a driver fail and we sold the stuff by the tons it seemed. I am glad they are back in business even if they moved over seas to Denmark.
 
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Sure.
I never saw a issue with upgrading speakers.
Hifi started as a hobby, a means to good sound reproduction.
Some people-IMHO-find the equipment/looks/status-perceived value, more important then the end result-music reproduction.
Then some where in between those above folks, is those who argue it's sacrilege to change a production/marketed design.
The one thing I appreciate about AK-is the roots of audio, as a hobby, is still alive and well.
 
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^The worst thing about those is I think they came from the factory like that.

Someone had a pair like that on CL by me a few months ago.
 
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