tomt
Well-Known Member
i still feel this wayNone ...
Ever ...
For Any Reason-
not even the funky bose driver, that was in the trash -
well ....
i don't wanna anyway
Speakers you will NEVER sell.
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grillebilly
Empty Head
Most of the vintage speakers in the house were very cheap, and resale prices might get me back a day or two's wages. So they will all probably be given away before being sold.
Those are Advents, different models, Boston Acoustics, almost every A series model (3 pairs of 150's), and Polk Monitor 7's with the Peerless tweeter.
Those are Advents, different models, Boston Acoustics, almost every A series model (3 pairs of 150's), and Polk Monitor 7's with the Peerless tweeter.
Riccardo77
Active Member
Just picked up some small but very impressive Definitive Technology SM45 speakers and been spending two weeks with them thinking it would take a lot for me to sell them as they are very big sounding small speakers! Super clear as well. Bass extension down to 35hz for a 12 inch tall speaker is quite impressive.
infullview
Super Member
Just be aware that active components in DT speakers such as built in sub woofer amps fail and replacements aren’t always available
Riccardo77
Active Member
Thanks but these are passive speakers? 2 way so I don't think anything would fail (?) Very nice sound!
KLH Model 6 that I purchased around 1976 and restored a couple of years ago. Yes, there are many better out there and many that are worse. For a nearly 50 year-old two-way, I'd have to say they have stood the test of time. I like the KEF Metas in my office space, but the KLH are still capable of keeping me going in the home gym.
DesertRatt
All Bark, No Bite!
Eventually, I sell them all. Usually, it's just boredom and a desire to experiment with something else, something new. Three years is about my record for keeping a speaker. I'm the same with cars, and now that i think about it houses too!
Playing back music is a lot like eating food. There are many kinds of acceptable flavors that satisfy.
Playing back music is a lot like eating food. There are many kinds of acceptable flavors that satisfy.
Probably my Elac Debut B6's (original version). Just a phenomenal speaker for 2-channel music and they pair really well with vintage amps too. We won't likely see another speaker like them anytime soon because companies are too afraid to release anything that doesn't measure flat anymore due to biased internet reviewers who decided to spend big bucks on measuring equipment.
Riccardo77
Active Member
Monitor Audio Silver 100 7g in racing green - Amazing!
JBL S38 - so good
KEF Q150 - 12 inches tall and can play very large in my 15x12 ft room
Definitive Tech SM45- see KEF Q150 and I mentioned earlier- very similar sound signature to the KEF and sounds good with a variety of amps just like the KEF
B&W DM 603 s2 such nice small towers with smooth smooth sound
B&W DM 303 - very nice small speakers- clarity is amazing
B&W DM 302 - same as above with the cool waffle port on the back
Speakers I regret selling right after I let them go:
PSB 300- still looking to reacquire
ELAC DEBUT B5- Same with the previous poster on the B6, these original AJ Elacs sound very nice!
JBL S38 - so good
KEF Q150 - 12 inches tall and can play very large in my 15x12 ft room
Definitive Tech SM45- see KEF Q150 and I mentioned earlier- very similar sound signature to the KEF and sounds good with a variety of amps just like the KEF
B&W DM 603 s2 such nice small towers with smooth smooth sound
B&W DM 303 - very nice small speakers- clarity is amazing
B&W DM 302 - same as above with the cool waffle port on the back
Speakers I regret selling right after I let them go:
PSB 300- still looking to reacquire
ELAC DEBUT B5- Same with the previous poster on the B6, these original AJ Elacs sound very nice!
Pyrrho
Super Member
It would be impressive if that were at only -3dB. However, Definitive Technology has the habit of listing frequency response numbers without specifying a tolerance, so that could be at -10dB or -50dB or anything else. It certainly isn't at -3dB, because if it were, they would want to brag about it instead of not specifying a tolerance for the claimed frequency response. So, basically, their frequency response claims are meaningless, because they are not claiming any tolerance for the frequency response.
However, we are in luck, because someone has measured them:
Definitive Technology StudioMonitor 45 loudspeaker Measurements | Stereophile.com
Sidebar 2: Measurements I examined the performance of one of the DefTech speakers with DRA Labs' MLSSA system. I used a calibrated DPA 4006 microphone to measure the speaker's frequency response in the farfield, and an Earthworks QTC-40 mike for the nearfield responses. I estimated the SM 45's...
They are absolutely not flat down to 35 Hz, though the bass is good for such a small speaker at its price point.
Also, though, if you look at the other measurements at the link above and compare with Definitive Technology's specifications, you will see that their other specifications are sometimes misleading at best. One might just say they are liars when it comes to their claims about their speakers.
Riccardo77
Active Member
Thanks for the clarification! They do sound good though! The link to the review you posted also supports that they sound good as has any user reviews that are out there. They sound ss good as my KEF Q150 which is great. Very happy with them in music and movies in two channel mode so far.It would be impressive if that were at only -3dB. However, Definitive Technology has the habit of listing frequency response numbers without specifying a tolerance, so that could be at -10dB or -50dB or anything else. It certainly isn't at -3dB, because if it were, they would want to brag about it instead of not specifying a tolerance for the claimed frequency response. So, basically, their frequency response claims are meaningless, because they are not claiming any tolerance for the frequency response.
However, we are in luck, because someone has measured them:
Definitive Technology StudioMonitor 45 loudspeaker Measurements | Stereophile.com
Sidebar 2: Measurements I examined the performance of one of the DefTech speakers with DRA Labs' MLSSA system. I used a calibrated DPA 4006 microphone to measure the speaker's frequency response in the farfield, and an Earthworks QTC-40 mike for the nearfield responses. I estimated the SM 45's...www.stereophile.com
They are absolutely not flat down to 35 Hz, though the bass is good for such a small speaker at its price point.
Also, though, if you look at the other measurements at the link above and compare with Definitive Technology's specifications, you will see that their other specifications are sometimes misleading at best. One might just say they are liars when it comes to their claims about their speakers.
Riccardo77
Active Member
Despite the measurements the reviews below seem to state they are quite good which I can only agree with, very nice sound :It would be impressive if that were at only -3dB. However, Definitive Technology has the habit of listing frequency response numbers without specifying a tolerance, so that could be at -10dB or -50dB or anything else. It certainly isn't at -3dB, because if it were, they would want to brag about it instead of not specifying a tolerance for the claimed frequency response. So, basically, their frequency response claims are meaningless, because they are not claiming any tolerance for the frequency response.
However, we are in luck, because someone has measured them:
Definitive Technology StudioMonitor 45 loudspeaker Measurements | Stereophile.com
Sidebar 2: Measurements I examined the performance of one of the DefTech speakers with DRA Labs' MLSSA system. I used a calibrated DPA 4006 microphone to measure the speaker's frequency response in the farfield, and an Earthworks QTC-40 mike for the nearfield responses. I estimated the SM 45's...
They are absolutely not flat down to 35 Hz, though the bass is good for such a small speaker at its price point.
Also, though, if you look at the other measurements at the link above and compare with Definitive Technology's specifications, you will see that their other specifications are sometimes misleading at best. One might just say they are liars when it comes to their claims about their speakers.
https://www.stereophile.com/content/definitive-technology-studiomonitor-45-loudspeaker
https://www.tonepublications.com/review/definitive-technology-studio-monitor-45/
https://www.theabsolutesound.com/ar...nology-studiomonitorsm-45-loudspeakers-hi-fi/
Pyrrho
Super Member
Yes, it is a curious thing. Definitive Technology has the reputation of making good speakers, but then putting misleading specifications on them, making them seem better than they are. Even though, telling the truth would not make them look bad, because they are actually pretty good.
Evidently, they believe that they will sell more speakers with deceptive claims, but I find their deceptive claims off-putting, and they make me not want to ever buy their speakers.
Riccardo77
Active Member
Thanks for letting me know I had no idea about that. Regardless I got the speakers at a pretty decent price and they do sound fabulous and based on other consumer reviews they seem to agree. The build quality is also on par with my KEF q150 so pretty happy about that. Whatever bass they do have will surprise you as I use them without a sub and they thump
I almost listed these instead. I own the B5's as well and honestly they are a more balanced speaker with about 90% of the bass of the B6. The B6's are a more "fun" speaker but the B5's are the more "audiophile" choice.
I'm not letting either set go. I still think Elac should essentially reskin the B5 and call it the "Debut Classic" because it was gone far too soon because of the crappy replacement that is the Debut 5.2 and 6.2 (aka Debut 2.0).
It’s more important how they sound then measure…
My Legacy Focus SE's or my Dynaco A25's.
Pyrrho
Super Member
The thing is, if they measure not producing a particular frequency, one is not really going to hear that frequency from them. Measurements can tell one a lot about how something is going to sound, though typical measurements are such that they won't be enough to tell one all about how they sound.
Many times, people would benefit from paying attention to measurements, so that they have some idea of what they are missing out on with the speakers they are listening to.