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The Most Abused L300s - A Restoration Thread

The L300s that are the subject of this thread say MODEL L300 on the foilcal, but have the Alnico woofers. That's the confusion. Most that I see for sale are the earlier SUMMIT foilcal, it appears that the later ones are much less common on the used market and maybe JBL did not change the foilcal and woofer/A model at the same time.
Possible they didn't follow the change in protocol with the L300A for a while. There was a change going on with the foilcals starting around 1975. Before that this is what an A version looked like showing the A in the s/n as well as the name of the speaker itself.
The L200B had the more modern orange foilcals and I think it just said L200B, not studio master but wouldn't bet my social security check on it.

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Then there is a possibility that these L300A's had its woofers replaced with alnico 136's at some point.
 
The L200B had the more modern orange foilcals and I think it just said L200B, not studio master but wouldn't bet my social security check on it.

My L200Bs do say Studio Master and orange JBL logo, similar to my L300s just text change from "L300" basically
 
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Curious to see where the SN thing lands.
I get the impression that JBL was pretty 'deliberate' about how they managed and implemented SNs and labeling.
The problem with 'B' models is that, for most of the time you are making the "A" models, you probably won't know if a "B" will ever exist...so labeling/numbering to allow for that is a it tricky (methodologically and politically!).
I was in charge of SN policy and automation/generation/implementation for quite a few years, and was just amazed at how 'complicated' it could be made!
"There will be NO Rev.B - the first production model is Perfect" (NOT)
"We can just swap SN stickers out on repair units and send different, but functionally tested, units back to customers, Right?"
"Do SN's have to be unique"?
And the whole issue of the tracking SNs of components within the unit gets incredibly messy - mostly from a warranty support point of view, but actually came in handy a few times for helping police track down stolen units.
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Mine are 17,0XX; they also say "Model L300." No idea which woofers they had. (I have fresh factory-coned 2235Hs now.)
 
Mine are 17,0XX; they also say "Model L300." No idea which woofers they had. (I have fresh factory-coned 2235Hs now.)

Zonker, your cabinets were purchased as separate parts out units. If I had the old, old docs about who the sellers were (mid 2000’s, maybe during the recession) I could figure out what was originally in there woofer wise. However, without any A suffix, likely Alnico 136 drivers. If there was a build sheet inside under the fiberglass, might be some idea of the date it was built.

No "A" after the serial numbers.

Okay, thanks for checking. Looks like the L300 wore MODEL L300 and SUMMIT badges.

Correct, the L300 model was original but JBL also added the Summit moniker on some areas or markets. At one time, the vast majority of IBL speakers, small and large, had names as well as model numbers. For JBL generally and internally, originals were serial number only, A or B suffixes indicated component or design changes to drivers and crossovers. The Alnico to ferrite switch created a number of these A models. B models had component replacements to a new or improved type. But this wasn’t always consistent - see 4333 series - A had new biamp crossover, B had Ferrite changes.

The 4315 originally had a dual port cabinet and all Alnico drivers. The 4315A has a new single port cabinet but kept the Alnico drivers. The 4315B had the ferrite 2203H, 2108H and 2105H.

The 4412 originally had ferrite 128H drivers with Woodgrain cabinet, 035Ti tweeter and adjustable controls. The 4412A (and family 4408A) changed to a Studio Gray cabinet, ditched the controls, and had the latest 052Ti tweeter.

So it can be confusing about what changes happened depending on model. The truest way to know about a particular JBL speaker is to examine the JBL Pro System Reference chart or the individual JBL Pro or Consumer tech sheet / exploded diagrams.
 
The L300A is the change from the 136A (Alnico) to the 136H (Ferrite), that is true. The confusion for me was that I thought that JBL changed the foilcal from the SUMMIT to MODEL L300 at the same time, apparently that is not correct.

Regarding other changes and A models being ferrite etc., there is no consistency it is simply a revision letter denoting a change. The L100 (for example) went through the L100 Century, L100A Century, and L100A (late) all being alnico. The (late) has no change to the revision/suffix. L65 Jubal and L65A both are Alnico, where L65B is ferrite. The revision letter only shows a revision to the design.
 
Update: Glass tops came in today. They're perfect! Taking the woofers to Ken at Upland Loudspeaker on Friday.

PUT IT IN WRITING ON THE WORK ORDER that the foams are to be attached to the rears of the cones! Make sure that this is known in no uncertain terms when you bring them in. It would be a shame to ruin a very rare pair of 136A cones.
 
PUT IT IN WRITING ON THE WORK ORDER that the foams are to be attached to the rears of the cones! Make sure that this is known in no uncertain terms when you bring them in. It would be a shame to ruin a very rare pair of 136A cones.
Do you really think that is necessary with Ken Haerr on the job? "Edgewound"?? I can't think of anyone with a better reputation in JBL restoration.
 
Update: Glass tops came in today. They're perfect! Taking the woofers to Ken at Upland Loudspeaker on Friday.

Good choice! When you see him, please say hello and how are you doing?! for me, Bartley Yee. I knew Ken and worked with him a few times during the late 2000's till he had to move his shop. I hope he is doing well. He can PM me here at AK or Lansing Heritage if he still has an account.
 
Good choice! When you see him, please say hello and how are you doing?! for me, Bartley Yee. I knew Ken and worked with him a few times during the late 2000's till he had to move his shop. I hope he is doing well. He can PM me here at AK or Lansing Heritage if he still has an account.

He says hello and that he is doing well!
 
Woofers are with Ken (Edgewound) now and getting a full re-suspension/cleaning/recharge/refoam. I got a peek at the cabinets yesterday and they look FAR better but not yet complete. I've got a black felt on order with a local framing store, should have it in soon. The grill fabric is still being debated.
 
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They are certainly coming along! Need to install the rest of the tops, the felt, the glass, reattach badges, and then once I get woofers back from Edgewound they will be complete!
 
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