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Troubleshooting CD Players

Hi all,
I have a Denon DCD-1500 II with a tray that does not stay open.
The problem is with the broken wire on the micro limit switch that detects the tray out position.
The switch is on the right side and the tray is prtially covering it and I can't access it.
Does anyone know how to properly remove the trayf?
Thanks
 
Hello again,
On the Denon DCd-1500 II again
The unit does not read any disk, the display shows zeros, the disk spins a couple of turns and that is all.
When the unit is powered up, the laser sled moves to the middle of the disk, but it does not move back again.
It seems that the home position is not detected.
Does anyone know where the home detect micro switch is located and how to access it?
Any other suggestions are very much appreciated.
Thanks
 
Moderator, please make this a sticky. I am tired of repeating this info in multiple posts so I want to make a memory dump in one place.
1. CD won't play:
Observe the mechanism with no disc loaded and the cover off (don't look directly at the lens!) When the player starts, the first thing the micro does is make sure the drawer is loaded and the mechanism has risen up to the play position. Then it will reverse the sled motor until the home position switch closes, then it moves the pickup forward a bit until the switch opens. (If the pickup doesn't move at all, the CD mechanism may not be in the fully loaded position, or there may be a problem with the sled drive or motor. Check the loading belts.) There is a switch that tells the micro that the pickup is in the home position so it can stop the motor and keep the pickup from jamming. If the switch gets dirty the micro keeps the motor on in reverse and the pickup won't move. With no CD in the player, turn the player on and watch the laser pickup (don't look directly at the lens!) If the pickup moves toward the disc motor then moves back, the switch is ok. If the pickup moves toward the disc motor and doesn't move back, the switch is dirty and doesn't close. On Sony based players, the home switch is a leaf switch located on the board that the disc motor is on. There is a plastic cover on the end of the leaf switch. Note what position it is installed in, and gently pull the cover off. Then clean the contacts by drawing 600 grit sandpaper through them just a couple of times. Then flush the debris out with contact cleaner or alcohol and gently replace the plastic cover. Depending on the construction of the mechanism, you may have to remove the disc motor board in order to get to the switch.
After the player correctly senses the home postion, the focus search starts and the laser pickup lens moves up and down. If the lens doesn't move after the pickup finds home, either the pickup is bad or the cable for the pickup is broken, or the drive IC is bad, or there is a power supply problem. Some players have IC protectors that look like transistors with only 2 leads. They go open.
If focus search starts, load a CD. If the disc spins, focus search was successful and the player achieved focus lock. The pickup may be good. If the table of contents is displayed but the player doesn't play, the pickup is either bad or the internal adjustments must be performed. A scope is necessary for this. If you have a scope and can see the RF waveform, it should be 1.2V - 1.5V peak to peak, on a player with a Sony chipset and many others as well. Use a commercially recorded CD, preferably an older issue, because newer issues can have lower reflectivity. If the RF waveform is lower than 1V peak to peak, the pickup is probably bad. Do the adjustments and if the waveform doesn't improve, the pickup is bad. Panasonic / Technics players have lower amplitude on the RF waveform, I think it's 1V peak to peak. Not sure about Philips players, I think they are 1.2 - 1.5V.
If the CD doesn't spin, the pickup could be bad or the disk motor, or disc motor drive could be bad. If the player does focus search and the disc doesn't spin and you hear a sizzling sound, the disk motor is bad. Try giving it a turn with your finger, it may start turning. If you replace the disc motor, the disk table height is critical. Measure the height before you replace the motor. You can use a ruler or calipers or feeler gauges. A good trick is to find something, a piece of wood cut to the same dimension, a nut, several feeler gauges; that fits under the disk table and you can use that as a gig to remount the disk table on the new motor, shoving the table down until it hits your gauge. The disk table must be glued to the motor shaft with a drop of superglue.

2. Skipping CDs:
There are several causes of skipping CDs. The most common is the top bearing of the disk motor is dried up and a couple of drops of light weight machine oil will cure it.
The second most common cause of skipping is the suspension of the CD mechanism is sagging and the CD chuck that holds the CD in place is rubbing on the arm that supports the chuck. This is cured by stretching the springs on the mechanism by the length of one turn. You must be sure to return each spring to the same position on the mechanism, because they are different tensions to account for the weight of the motors. If the player uses rubber bumpers instead of springs you can either replace them, replace them with springs if you can find some, or install washers under the bumpers to bolster them up.
On Sony 5 disc players that are sensitive to vibrations, open the top and insert a CD. Observe the chucking arm and magnetic chuck. On some Sony players the plastic chassis warps over time and the magnet is no longer centered in the chucking arm and rubs against the inside edge of the hole it rides in. If it appears not to be centered, push on the arm, from the front, sides and back to determine which edge the chuck is scraping on. You will be able to hear it scrape. If it does, remove the chucking arm. There is a screw in the back of the arm that adjusts the height of the arm and secures it, along with a spring. Remove the chuck from the arm by twisting the 2 halves until the plastic tabs line up with the openings. Now that the chuck is free, file or cut the hole in the arm on the side that it rubs, to enlarge the hole by about 1/8". Don't overdo it or the chuck will fall through.
Remove all burrs and plastic shavings and re-assemble the chuck and install the arm in the player. Adjust the height of the arm so that the chuck floats in the arm with equal parts above and below the arm. The improper height of the arm is another cause of skipping.
If the chuck is not off center, is it riding too low in the arm and scraping on the arm? If so, adjust the height of the arm if it is adjustable on this model.
Sometimes the machined posts that the laser slides on need to be cleaned and re-lubricated, especially if the owner had pets. Clean them thoroughly with alcohol and then apply 2 drops of light weight machine oil to each post on either side of the laser.
Clean the lens. Use a Q tip moistened with ethanol (NOT Isopropyl alcohol, it can cloud plastic!), distilled water or Kodak Lens Cleaner.

3. Drawer won't open / stay closed:
Replace the loading belts.

This covers most of the problems found in CD players.
Hello dr*audio,
Thank you for the detailed description of how a CD player works.
I have a problem with the laser home position detection on a Denon DCD-1500 II
The sled moves towards the spindle motor and never changes direction
I cannot find the limit switch even with the service manual, which is a very poorly written and translated manual.
The laser module is a Sony KSS-151A and the 20 pin ribbon cable has pins 7 and 8 labeled "sensor"
Is it possible that those pins are for the limit switch that is integral part of the sled mechanism?
If so, how to get to it?
Your help is very much appreciated.
Thanks
John
 
I'll have a look at the service manual. I think this player uses a linear motor for the sled, no gears. If that is correct, there may be a position sensor, which is a large slider potentiometer, under the mechanism.
It's also possible one of the power supply voltages is missing for the IC that drives the linear motor.
Hello dr*audio,
Thank you for the detailed description of how a CD player works.
I have a problem with the laser home position detection on a Denon DCD-1500 II
The sled moves towards the spindle motor and never changes direction
I cannot find the limit switch even with the service manual, which is a very poorly written and translated manual.
The laser module is a Sony KSS-151A and the 20 pin ribbon cable has pins 7 and 8 labeled "sensor"
Is it possible that those pins are for the limit switch that is integral part of the sled mechanism?
If so, how to get to it?
Your help is very much appreciated.
Thanks
John
 
I was wrong, this player does not have a linear motor, it is gear driven.
Looks like the home switch is #46 in the view below. It's a micro switch. If it isn't working, inject some Deoxit into it where the actuator goes in, and work it a bunch of times. If that doesn't fix it, Digikey sells micro switches.
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Hello dr*audio,
Thank you for the detailed description of how a CD player works.
I have a problem with the laser home position detection on a Denon DCD-1500 II
The sled moves towards the spindle motor and never changes direction
I cannot find the limit switch even with the service manual, which is a very poorly written and translated manual.
The laser module is a Sony KSS-151A and the 20 pin ribbon cable has pins 7 and 8 labeled "sensor"
Is it possible that those pins are for the limit switch that is integral part of the sled mechanism?
If so, how to get to it?
Your help is very much appreciated.
Thanks
John
 
I picked up a very nice condition Cambridge Audio D500SE that is mostly working mechanically (needs a tray belt), but when hooked to an amp only produces a high pitched squeal, no music.
It's almost like an output switch was flipped to digital instead of analog, but there is no such switch present.
Any thoughts on what the problem might be would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Mike
 
I picked up a very nice condition Cambridge Audio D500SE that is mostly working mechanically (needs a tray belt), but when hooked to an amp only produces a high pitched squeal, no music.
It's almost like an output switch was flipped to digital instead of analog, but there is no such switch present.
Any thoughts on what the problem might be would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Mike
Sounds like uncorrected bit errors. If the time is counting up on the display, and it finds the tracks properly when you skip tracks, I would suspect the D/A converter or the DSP IC. These do not usually fail, so the player may have taken a powerline hit. There are probably multiple bad ICs. What I would do is try replacing the D/A, and if that doesn't fix it, pitch it.
 
Sounds like uncorrected bit errors. If the time is counting up on the display, and it finds the tracks properly when you skip tracks, I would suspect the D/A converter or the DSP IC. These do not usually fail, so the player may have taken a powerline hit. There are probably multiple bad ICs. What I would do is try replacing the D/A, and if that doesn't fix it, pitch it.

The tracking is working fine. Without listening, it appears to be functioning perfectly.
If the D/A or DSP IC are bad, should the digital out still work to an outboard DAC?
Thanks for the help.
Mike
 
The tracking is working fine. Without listening, it appears to be functioning perfectly.
If the D/A or DSP IC are bad, should the digital out still work to an outboard DAC?
Thanks for the help.
Mike
If the D/A is bad, and outboard DAC should still work. If the DSP is bad, an outboard DAC will probably not work, because the DSP does the error correction.
 
My CDP70 is sick. I'm determined to perform surgery on it to bring it back to life.
It acts as if a CD isn't in the drive. It flashes DISC when i turn it on (a CD is currently stuck in it). It reads 0 after that, not showing me the runtime. Pressing eject makes it go through the flashing DISC thing again. I have the top off the unit and it isn't spinning at all.

This started two nights ago when I heard it skip a couple times for no reason. After that CD was over I popped in a new one and I'm experiencing all of the above.
 
My CDP70 is sick. I'm determined to perform surgery on it to bring it back to life.
It acts as if a CD isn't in the drive. It flashes DISC when i turn it on (a CD is currently stuck in it). It reads 0 after that, not showing me the runtime. Pressing eject makes it go through the flashing DISC thing again. I have the top off the unit and it isn't spinning at all.

This started two nights ago when I heard it skip a couple times for no reason. After that CD was over I popped in a new one and I'm experiencing all of the above.
First check the power supply voltages. Then check for bad belts. On old Sony's like this the grease in the mechanism hardens and it won't load and unload properly. You have to clean the old grease out with alcohol and Q Tips, and regrease with light weight white lithium grease. I use Dupont White Lithium Grease With Teflon. Comes in an aerosol can at home improvement stores. I think I got it at Lowes.
 
This unit doesn't use drive belts, unless I'm mistaken. I've got the top popped off and I'm looking at the service manual. Problem is, I'm just about a complete noob with testing electronics. I've got a multimeter and if I had a little guidance, I could probably check the power issue.

The CD player seems to be coming back to life, but only slightly. I successfully got the CD tray to open, but it stopped working shortly after. I see the laser moving up and down but I don't see any red light coming from it. I suspect this baby isn't getting enough power.
 
This unit doesn't use drive belts, unless I'm mistaken. I've got the top popped off and I'm looking at the service manual. Problem is, I'm just about a complete noob with testing electronics. I've got a multimeter and if I had a little guidance, I could probably check the power issue.

The CD player seems to be coming back to life, but only slightly. I successfully got the CD tray to open, but it stopped working shortly after. I see the laser moving up and down but I don't see any red light coming from it. I suspect this baby isn't getting enough power.
It sounds like gummy grease. If the laser is moving up and down it means the mechanism loaded correctly. I'll download the service manual and see where the supply is for the laser. Usually it's a 5V supply. There may be a fuse in series with it. Sony uses these micro fuses that look like a transistor.
 
This unit doesn't use drive belts, unless I'm mistaken. I've got the top popped off and I'm looking at the service manual. Problem is, I'm just about a complete noob with testing electronics. I've got a multimeter and if I had a little guidance, I could probably check the power issue.

The CD player seems to be coming back to life, but only slightly. I successfully got the CD tray to open, but it stopped working shortly after. I see the laser moving up and down but I don't see any red light coming from it. I suspect this baby isn't getting enough power.
Find RV201, it's the laser power adjustment trimmer pot. On each pin of RV201 measure the voltage between the pin and the chassis. It should have some positive voltage on each pin when the laser goes up and down (focus search.) If it does, and it won't read the table of contents on the Cd, the laser is bad.
 
There are 3 pins, and when I fire up the unit they all shoot to around 5V. So if it shows that but won't read the ToC, it's a bad laser? The thing though is that the tray won't open and discs won't spin when I manually put them in there. A few times over the past couple days I've gotten the tray to open and a disc to spin for a couple seconds (including just now checking RV201) but it goes kaput shortly after.

To put a CD in at all I have push that little lever inside the tray and load it up manually. Everything is smooth too, I don't think it's a grease problem. The part that comes down on top of the CD also isn't coming down and locking. I have to push it. My intuition is telling me that somehow this whole transport isn't getting juice for some reason. The laser won't slide back and forth, so the only thing that's moving consistently is the laser moving up and down slightly.

Thanks for the all the help.
 
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There are 3 pins, and when I fire up the unit they all shoot to around 5V. So if it shows that but won't read the ToC, it's a bad laser? The thing though is that the tray won't open and discs won't spin when I manually put them in there. A few times over the past couple days I've gotten the tray to open and a disc to spin for a couple seconds (including just now checking RV201) but it goes kaput shortly after.

To put a CD in at all I have push that little lever inside the tray and load it up manually. Everything is smooth too, I don't think it's a grease problem. The part that comes down on top of the CD also isn't coming down and locking. I have to push it. My intuition is telling me that somehow this whole transport isn't getting juice for some reason. The laser won't slide back and forth, so the only thing that's moving consistently is the laser moving up and down slightly.

Thanks for the all the help.
I think you have other problems in there with the mechanism or possibly a power supply, but the sequence is such that it won't do focus search until the mechanism is in the fully loaded position. Even if you have to do it manually, you got it to do focus search, so that means it is fully loaded.
Once it does focus search, if it can achieve focus lock it will spin the disc.
If it can't achieve focus lock because the laser is bad, it won't spin.
If it can achieve focus lock but the disc motor is bad you would hear a sizzling sound.
So, if it is properly loaded and tries to do focus search (with a Cd in it) and you don't hear a sizzling sound and the disc doesn't spin, the laser is kaput. This is a very old player and the laser has reached it's life expectancy.
 
I've already bought a replacement but I'll keep tinkering with the old unit and save it for parts.

One note for you is that the laser moves up and down briefly even if I've got the tray open. I wouldn't think that's in fully locked/loaded position. I also hear a very (VERY) slight buzzing sound and feel a slight vibration from the unit, but I couldn't tell you if that's normal or not. I have to put my ear to it to hear it. I suspect though that it's probably a sign that something wants to move but it can't for whatever reason. Probably not a jam, most likely electrical stuff like I suspected.

Thanks again for the help :)
 
I've already bought a replacement but I'll keep tinkering with the old unit and save it for parts.

One note for you is that the laser moves up and down briefly even if I've got the tray open. I wouldn't think that's in fully locked/loaded position. I also hear a very (VERY) slight buzzing sound and feel a slight vibration from the unit, but I couldn't tell you if that's normal or not. I have to put my ear to it to hear it. I suspect though that it's probably a sign that something wants to move but it can't for whatever reason. Probably not a jam, most likely electrical stuff like I suspected.

Thanks again for the help :)
The buzzing sound could be a motor spinning because the belt is slipping, or it could be the transformer buzzing.
Normal focus search lasts maybe 5 seconds.
 
Just took another look at both the unit and the service manual. It appears to have gears in it and not a belt, unless I'm completely missing it. I bet it's one of the motors or something that's having trouble.
 
I can only ask of so much help on the internet because it takes away from people's valuable time, so I think I'm gonna let this one die a peaceful death. As I was taking a look at it just now, the drawer opened, it took a CD, started spinning and started working fine. Then it stopped. I definitely have some sort of weird intermittent connection, but why that is I don't think I can ask much more time from someone.

Thanks for the help you did give draudio :)
 
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