Vinyls
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G'day all, yes mate count me in with the beer as well, if I only could.
Sadly I'm not allowed anymore. I must be getting old (at 48 and eleven months of age!)Regards, Felix aka catman. P.S. All ok John. :thmbsp:
You are a young man....at 48.
jaguar ride
Active Member
I'm one of those stupid youngsters(26), but neither I nor anyone I associate with has ever called them "vinyls". I got into "vinyl" when I was 14 thanks to punk rock generally shunning new technology. They were always called "LP's", "45's", and "7"s"(generally 33rpm, 4 song, small hole). The whole lot was covered by the term "records". I think the term "vinyls" is pretty much reserved for idiots young and old.
As for the way people talk nowadays, every generation has slang and language that the previous generation hates. It's not especially troubling. I'm far more concerned with the zombies at my school(and just out in public) who may as well not even have eyes or ears. If I had a buck for every time someone walked directly in to me because they can't look up from their "smart" phone for 1 second....And don't even get me started on social diseases like facebook or twitter....
...oh yeah, "vinyls". Meh, I think there's more important issues to focus on.
As for the way people talk nowadays, every generation has slang and language that the previous generation hates. It's not especially troubling. I'm far more concerned with the zombies at my school(and just out in public) who may as well not even have eyes or ears. If I had a buck for every time someone walked directly in to me because they can't look up from their "smart" phone for 1 second....And don't even get me started on social diseases like facebook or twitter....
...oh yeah, "vinyls". Meh, I think there's more important issues to focus on.
The world changes...words need to change. Anybody who has spent any time with the Oxford Dictionary can get a real feel for verbal morphing. It is jarring, however, to watch it happen during your own lifetime. My grandma used to call girl's hats "bonnets." Charming...but things change.
bobbyonions
AK Member
I'm about as easy going as you can get, but if I hear the word vinyls, someone's gittin' bitch-slapped.
The use of the term "vinyls" is bull ****, incorrect and ignorant
(Old time disc jockey slang and colloquialisms are not up for discussion in my mind)
Why some choose to use it I don't really care
Not all records (33&1/3) are vinyl in the first place; weren't made of "vinyl" until the era of the "UNbreakable" disc began
45s generally are not even pressed in vinyl
They are:
Phonograph records
Lp(s) most commonly 10" and 12"
45(s)
78rpm records or Phonograph records
or
Transcription discs (accompanied with modifiers like "non-standard" with reference to size et al)
And that's what they are, were and always will be, no matter what moniker the dip shits and hipsters wish to call them
Just because you're young and hip doesn't give you license to re-name what is, and then feel slighted when someone accuses you of sounding like an idiot
Va-jay-jay comes to mind
Thomas
(Old time disc jockey slang and colloquialisms are not up for discussion in my mind)
Why some choose to use it I don't really care
Not all records (33&1/3) are vinyl in the first place; weren't made of "vinyl" until the era of the "UNbreakable" disc began
45s generally are not even pressed in vinyl
They are:
Phonograph records
Lp(s) most commonly 10" and 12"
45(s)
78rpm records or Phonograph records
or
Transcription discs (accompanied with modifiers like "non-standard" with reference to size et al)
And that's what they are, were and always will be, no matter what moniker the dip shits and hipsters wish to call them
Just because you're young and hip doesn't give you license to re-name what is, and then feel slighted when someone accuses you of sounding like an idiot
Va-jay-jay comes to mind
Thomas
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terra1
Addicted Member
... and what the hell is with this Spam!
I don't have a problem with it. As said, words morph and evolve.
I guess we should ban all slang that we use today from the military on down as unbecoming a literate and pedantic society. We'll need more self-appointed word police. Hopefully they'll at least be well trained.
I never thought of it as a younger generation thing. But I guess it depends on which younger generation you're trying to distance yourself from.
Growing up, I always knew the 33 1/3 LPs were "vinyl" records. People use verbal slang and shorthand references all the time.
Frankly, it sounds like a made-up controversy of people trying to prop themselves up and make themselves relevant in a world passing them by...
Ornery old man voice, "When I was young, twitter was something only young girls or birds did ... they were all a twitter ... And don't get me started on Spam ... I was quite happy when it was just a mystery meat! ... 'tarnation!"
I don't have a problem with it. As said, words morph and evolve.
I guess we should ban all slang that we use today from the military on down as unbecoming a literate and pedantic society. We'll need more self-appointed word police. Hopefully they'll at least be well trained.
I never thought of it as a younger generation thing. But I guess it depends on which younger generation you're trying to distance yourself from.
Growing up, I always knew the 33 1/3 LPs were "vinyl" records. People use verbal slang and shorthand references all the time.
Frankly, it sounds like a made-up controversy of people trying to prop themselves up and make themselves relevant in a world passing them by...
Ornery old man voice, "When I was young, twitter was something only young girls or birds did ... they were all a twitter ... And don't get me started on Spam ... I was quite happy when it was just a mystery meat! ... 'tarnation!"
bobbyonions
AK Member
Nope.
sheeps
aluminums
wheats
lumbers
I don't buy it. Vinyls is not some creative effective bending of the language. It is clearly misunderstanding, not reinventing.
sheeps
aluminums
wheats
lumbers
I don't buy it. Vinyls is not some creative effective bending of the language. It is clearly misunderstanding, not reinventing.
Even though this started out as a fairly light hearted topic, it's actually an example of a very serious subject/problem
A language is a language, it's a fixed deal with the exception of new words added to convey meaning to new discoveries, technologies, inventions etc
The word "bonnet" is still as relevant and meaningful as it ever was, and it's not a substitute for "hat" in general, but rather the name of a very specific type of hat
If current fashion trends preclude the wearing of "bonnets" that still in no way negates the legitimacy and meaning of the word
Colloquialisms, slang, street talk, individual's idiosyncratic usage etc doesn't make something so, or correct, no matter how wide spread
Example: text speak, may be used and loved by millions, doesn't change the fact that it is bull ****
You want your service manuals written in that gibberish?
Just as an appearance in the "Oxford Dictionary" doesn't make a "word" or term correct, just means it's become part of the vernacular
They're in the business of selling new editions of their book, you know?
A common language is a big part of preserving a people, their identity and their national sovereignty, not to mention their success in the world; we should make it standard practice to protect ours and treat it with the same respect we treat our Vintage gear and records
That so many are doing "or speaking and writing" their own "thing" has already started to become a real problem for this country
I would encourage the use of legitimate English vocabulary as much as, and whenever, possible
Thomas
boreas
"If it sounds good, it IS good." E.K.E.
It isn't actually quite the same. "Wax" became "shellacs" became "vinyl", each change in terminology was in response to a change in the material used. Also, "wax" became the "hip" term for a record along with "sides" and "platters". Each of the above was a new term. Each was coined in response to development in recording and/or as slang to be used by those "in the know".
"Vinyls", on the other hand, is a modification of a term already in existence. It's not a new term and it's not in response to anything other than perhaps the arrival of a generation of record lovers who didn't grow up with the things as I and many of you did. As such, it's understandable that some of us old timers experience a degree of discomfort when we hear one of "our" words "misused", either by mistake or in an effort to "update" the term as an announcement of their arrival.
Does it bother me personally? Yes, but I realize that it's an unreasoning emotional response on my part and not entirely justified. So..... I wince every time I hear or read "vinyls" but I try to keep my trap shut and roll with it.
John
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To me it's another way of marking someone who is probably not much competition in the record bins, so it's annoying but a relief at the same time. ...annoying and relieving in the same eye-rolling way as seeing some young hipsters getting excited about finding a bunch of cut-out blank cover hip-hop EPs, or Ray Coniff or Martin Denny schmaltz "vinyls" with interesting covers, while I'm busy scooping out the John Fahey or Doug Sahm records.
Bob_in_OKC
Addicted Member
The owner's manual of my 1974 MGB called the lid over the engine compartment the "bonnet".
The English still do.
LazySounds
Active Member
A Dictionary of the English Language by Samuel Johnson
I just had a quick look at the online version of "A Dictionary of the English Language" written and published by Samuel Johnson 1775.
English is a mongrel language constantly evolving to accommodate new technology, new social structures, new cultures, misunderstandings, misinterpretations, and some times just for fun.
This is a good thing
I doubt Samuel Johnson would have foreseen the use of "G'day mate" as a common greeting, but I think if he were alive today he would just add it to the next edition of his dictionary, and probably add "Vinyls" too.
I just had a quick look at the online version of "A Dictionary of the English Language" written and published by Samuel Johnson 1775.
English is a mongrel language constantly evolving to accommodate new technology, new social structures, new cultures, misunderstandings, misinterpretations, and some times just for fun.
This is a good thing
I doubt Samuel Johnson would have foreseen the use of "G'day mate" as a common greeting, but I think if he were alive today he would just add it to the next edition of his dictionary, and probably add "Vinyls" too.
LazySounds
Active Member
Nothing wrong with "G'day mate"
As a New Zealander living in Melbourne, I think "G'day mate" works just fine.
I think having done this topic to death, I might abandon the computer for a while, grab a beer, and start rummaging through my record collection.:thmbsp:
As a New Zealander living in Melbourne, I think "G'day mate" works just fine.
I think having done this topic to death, I might abandon the computer for a while, grab a beer, and start rummaging through my record collection.:thmbsp:
DougMac
Super Member
Absolutely nothing! I look forward to seeing it because I know I'm about to read something interesting and worthwhile and it also reminds me I have friends here from all over the world!
Regards,
Doug
reeltoreel68
Member
i call them lp's or 45's or 78's. Ok most 78's are shellac.