Wigwam Jones
Caesar non supra grammati
I like Martin Denny.
Vinyls
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Wigwam Jones
Caesar non supra grammati
The fact that language changes over time does make the use of the term any less irritating to those of us who dislike it.
"A language is a language... it is a fixed deal."
Please don't repeat that to any professor. Language shifts and evolves in a never-ending manner. Perhaps the motion is glacial...but it never stops. Again, an hour spent with the Oxford Dictionary might prove most illuminating...it continues to be updated because of new words as well as redefining existing words.
Please don't repeat that to any professor. Language shifts and evolves in a never-ending manner. Perhaps the motion is glacial...but it never stops. Again, an hour spent with the Oxford Dictionary might prove most illuminating...it continues to be updated because of new words as well as redefining existing words.
Wigwam Jones
Caesar non supra grammati
In any system, there is the force which changes and the force which resists change. There are no guarantees that the force which changes will prevail, nor any reason, moral, spiritual, or legal, that it should.
In other words, although it is perfectly normal that young skulls full of mush should use the term 'vinyls' to describe LP records, there is no reason why old farts like myself should not oppose, ridicule, belittle, and otherwise stymie this bastardization of the language as it exists. If they win, the language moves a centimeter. If we win, it does not.
Such is the difference between jargon and language. Jargon is just an attempt to modify language that failed. And 'vinyls' should fail as a permanent adaptation, according to me. Place it next to 'Daddy-O' in the dumpster bin marked 'hip talk from muppets'.
Daddy-O is an archaism! Its relevance has waned, but it is still heard (if only by those trying to sound archaic). Still, it exists in several dictionaries, as it should since some future grad student might need to research it when completing a thesis on Hollywood surf movies.
I really like this thread. Yeah, "vinyls" sounds stupid to me. So does sexting, tweeting, etc. But I sure as hell know what vinyls means when I'm perusing Craigslist!
I really like this thread. Yeah, "vinyls" sounds stupid to me. So does sexting, tweeting, etc. But I sure as hell know what vinyls means when I'm perusing Craigslist!
rexrider
Active Member
I have read through this thread and I am a bit confused.
What are we upset about?
Is it when records are referred to as "vinyl"?
Is it when people use "vinyls" for the plural of "vinyl"?
All the above?
Alright, so using "vinyls" to indicate more than one record or LP is just incorrect grammar. I can see how that may be annoying but certainly not the end of the world.
Now, is using the term "vinyl" to describe a medium used for audio incorrect?
I confess I use the term vinyl all the time. But having thought about it for a whole 10 seconds, I realized I never used the word when I was teenager in pre-CD times. We called vinyls "records", or "albums" or "LPs", or "45s". We called cassette tapes "tapes". We called 8-tracks "8-tracks". Reel to Reels were called....wait for it...."Reel to Reel".
Since returning to records/LPs/45s/whatever, I have seen "vinyl" in almost every forum I visited. The word "vinyl" has been spoken in almost every conversation about the medium.
I most likely, subconsciously, assumed the term vinyl was used as a generic way to describe a whole class of medium used for audio.
We can't really use "record" any more since (to me) that describes any recorded medium. I see no reason why CDs could not be called records. There is nothing about the term that specifies the medium. Same with "album" as there is nothing that about the word that describes the medium used.
In a world of CDs, SACDs, DVDs, MP3s, and whatever other format you can think of, the word "vinyl" seems to be universally accepted as a way to refer to an entire medium of music. While the term may not be technically correct to describe the actual material used in the format, it does seem to clearly indicate that you are talking about a medium that uses a turntable for playback.
So from my point of view, I see nothing wrong with the use of the word "vinyl". I certainly don't use it to emulate younger generations. At 45, I have long since determined that would be pointless.
So there are my thoughts on the subject. I just spent way to much time on it. But since it is a day off from work, I didn't really have anything else going on.
Please excuse me while I pick out another vinyl/LP/record/album/wax to throw on the turntable/record player/stereo/Hi-Fi.
What are we upset about?
Is it when records are referred to as "vinyl"?
Is it when people use "vinyls" for the plural of "vinyl"?
All the above?
Alright, so using "vinyls" to indicate more than one record or LP is just incorrect grammar. I can see how that may be annoying but certainly not the end of the world.
Now, is using the term "vinyl" to describe a medium used for audio incorrect?
I confess I use the term vinyl all the time. But having thought about it for a whole 10 seconds, I realized I never used the word when I was teenager in pre-CD times. We called vinyls "records", or "albums" or "LPs", or "45s". We called cassette tapes "tapes". We called 8-tracks "8-tracks". Reel to Reels were called....wait for it...."Reel to Reel".
Since returning to records/LPs/45s/whatever, I have seen "vinyl" in almost every forum I visited. The word "vinyl" has been spoken in almost every conversation about the medium.
I most likely, subconsciously, assumed the term vinyl was used as a generic way to describe a whole class of medium used for audio.
We can't really use "record" any more since (to me) that describes any recorded medium. I see no reason why CDs could not be called records. There is nothing about the term that specifies the medium. Same with "album" as there is nothing that about the word that describes the medium used.
In a world of CDs, SACDs, DVDs, MP3s, and whatever other format you can think of, the word "vinyl" seems to be universally accepted as a way to refer to an entire medium of music. While the term may not be technically correct to describe the actual material used in the format, it does seem to clearly indicate that you are talking about a medium that uses a turntable for playback.
So from my point of view, I see nothing wrong with the use of the word "vinyl". I certainly don't use it to emulate younger generations. At 45, I have long since determined that would be pointless.
So there are my thoughts on the subject. I just spent way to much time on it. But since it is a day off from work, I didn't really have anything else going on.
Please excuse me while I pick out another vinyl/LP/record/album/wax to throw on the turntable/record player/stereo/Hi-Fi.
Cool! Right On brother man! That is a swell analysis. I dig it! :thmbsp:
Wigwam Jones
Caesar non supra grammati
No, just 'vinyls' as a plural noun to describe LP records. The conversation drifted to other subjects because everyone today has ADD in addition to not being able to read very well.
Of course it's not the end of the world. Neither is fingernails on a chalkboard. But I think it's perfectly reasonable to complain about either one.
I think the term has been around for quite some time. I recall DJ's using the term 'spin some vinyl' when I was a kid, and that was when dinosaurs roamed the earth. However, they did not say 'Spin some vinyls'. That is annoying.
So there are my thoughts on the subject. I just spent way to much time on it. But since it is a day off from work, I didn't really have anything else going on.
Enjoy your day.
Please excuse me while I pick out another vinyl/LP/record/album/wax to throw on the turntable/record player/stereo/Hi-Fi.
As I mentioned earlier in this thread, it often occurs to me that the reason some people use irritating terms that they know are irritating is because they like to irritate people, not because they actually prefer to use the term.
Wigwam Jones
Caesar non supra grammati
You do and I will shank you with my steels. :thmbsp:
Wigwam Jones
Caesar non supra grammati
I like to think that it's in good fun. The niceness police can get a bit stuffy at times.
rexrider
Active Member
Okay, that was funny.
Glass Prison
Well-Known Member
I had a clerk at Future Shop call them Cd's. I tried not to laugh and be polite but I couldn't stop laughing at the guy. So when I finally stopped laughing I explained the concept of vinyl. I think alot of young people just weren't exposed to records. When CD's were really being promoted as the format to get lot's of my friends thought I was a dinosaur for taking their records they didn't want. Their children never saw turntables or records.
iLUVanalog
Addicted Member
What about the issue re. "CD's" versus "DVD's"?
DVD's are "digital video discs" so why can't CD's be called "DAD's"....digital audio discs?
I think some legislation is definitely in order. (just kidding of course....this whole argument of "vinyls" versus "LPs" versus "records" versus "albums" is silly. What difference does it make? Regardless of the term, we all know what it means.
If you get right down to it, it doesn't make a difference, still doesn't make it right
By whatever name a fellow uses for the object of his desire, if a he ain't getting any of it, he ain't getting any of it
So in that context, you and others are right, still doesn't change the fact that it has a PROPER name as defined by the legitimate word chosen for it by our language properly/correctly spoken or written
A rose by any other name............
Just because colloquialisms, slang and street talk enjoy practically universal usage in some instances and for whatever the reason, DOES NOT MAKE IT/THEM CORRECT
And because this bastardization of our common tongue has reached such epidemic proportions, yes, it does "grind my grits" or more precisely "pisses me off"
The ramifications of this misuse goes far deeper with more serious long term consequences than just what's being debated here
The question was, does the term piss you off or bother you in any, or whatever way
As for me? YES!
And for those "open minded" among you, the next time your grade schooler drops the "F" bomb just smile and remember, it is in the Oxford Dictionary after all
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rexrider
Active Member
"You keep using that word but I don't think it means what you think it means."
That line from Princess Bride just popped into my head.
You know, there are 10s of thousands (or more perhaps) of words in the English language. Only a small percent are used day to day. I am willing to bet a lot of words have changed meaning over the years. We use many everyday that probably don't mean what they originally did. I guess you could call it "language drift" (I may need to copyright that term).
I am also willing to bet all generations past have distorted the meaning of words through slang. I seriously doubt it is a new phenomenon. Not saying it is right, its just how language evolves.
As I mention in a previous post, the word vinyl is used almost universally by everyone discussing a music format that requires a turntable for playback. It may not be correct, but it has been accepted (by most, anyway). Is this not how many other words and their meaning came to be?
I only typed all this because, in my opinion, its not something to get pissed about. It may be unnerving to hear words and meanings butchered over time. But its not something you can stop. You can educate, but you can't stop it.
By the way, does the word "pissed" always mean what it means now? In England, doesn't "pissed" mean "drunk"?
Don't mind me, just rambling.
That line from Princess Bride just popped into my head.
You know, there are 10s of thousands (or more perhaps) of words in the English language. Only a small percent are used day to day. I am willing to bet a lot of words have changed meaning over the years. We use many everyday that probably don't mean what they originally did. I guess you could call it "language drift" (I may need to copyright that term).
I am also willing to bet all generations past have distorted the meaning of words through slang. I seriously doubt it is a new phenomenon. Not saying it is right, its just how language evolves.
As I mention in a previous post, the word vinyl is used almost universally by everyone discussing a music format that requires a turntable for playback. It may not be correct, but it has been accepted (by most, anyway). Is this not how many other words and their meaning came to be?
I only typed all this because, in my opinion, its not something to get pissed about. It may be unnerving to hear words and meanings butchered over time. But its not something you can stop. You can educate, but you can't stop it.
By the way, does the word "pissed" always mean what it means now? In England, doesn't "pissed" mean "drunk"?
Don't mind me, just rambling.