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VPI Turntable Owners Thread

So the platter/spindle was able to be removed, and I have been using qtips to clean out the well. Added a few drops of Mobil DTE light oil. Thought I had some bearing grease lying around so ordered a tube and will add when I get it. Other then that table running beautifully.

Thanks for the help.

I don't know what Mobil DTE Oil is? Or its viscosity? Explain? I wouldn't worry about a motor oil that has detergents in them, I'd say there's no worry, there's nothing that will be harmed by such.

As I mentioned, and another poster, for the Platter Bearing, the ideal Oil and viscosity would be Mobil 1, or another full Synth Oil in 30W. No greases on a standard type VPI Bearing!

2oz of Oil should last years for the Table. If you have to buy a qt bottle, throw the rest in a car, lawnmower, etc.

I'm no mechanical engineer, but one aspect of what lubricants are required for a bearing as such is tolerances between parts. In layman's terms too thick, or too thin isn't what will be best.

In other words, let's say 75-90W Gear Oil, the bearing Shaft would likely not even seat into the Bearing Well, unless you sat on the Platter, And something like Sewing Machine Oil would be too light.

One basic reason Grease was called for with VPI's newer Inverted Bearings like you see on a Scout, Classic, is because the Bearing is just as it is described, inverted, meaning it's actually like a Standard older style VPI Bearing flipped upside down. An Oil would not stay put where it was needed due to gravity.
 
If you do a search in the turntable forum you'll find information on it. It's a high performance, UK hyrdrolic oil . It's been recommended in a number of places and I've used it for awhile with good success on my Sony 2251, AR XA, and other tables.

Best Oil for turntables

I also have used Mobil 5w-30 synthetic oil. Either works just fine.
 
There was a point in time where VPI would do repair-refurbishment on the older Bearings. Not at all trying to be rude against VPI, but they selected specific sub-contractors, and shops to do much, if not all the work.

Or had parts, like if one ever needed those little Tungsten Carbide Thrust Bearings, which are actually smaller than an Aspirin. I had acquired a couple maybe 8 years ago, they had some in stock.

But in a worst case scenario, and let's say you need one of those little Discs, and VPI does no longer have them, all is not lost.

Because that Thrust Plate Disc is merely epoxy glued to the inside Threaded Bottom Brass Plug on the Bearing Well. That the Plug itself could be thrown into a 350 degree Oven to break the Glue's bond, clean and re-glue the Thrust Plate, as there are 2 flat sides to this small circular Disc. It looks like a small Pill. Thus you again have a fresh, undamaged surface.

There is a machined depression in that Brass Plug where the Thrust Bearing sits, so it will be no problems for proper centering of the Thrust Plate Bearing.

As for the Upper Bushing, that becomes harder to deal with if the Bushing is damaged by excessive wear due to lack of lubrication.

But a good machinist would be able to remove the old and install a new bushing.
I think most of those upper Bushings were usually bronze, but there may have been examples of VPI using Rulon, or such synthetics as well.

Hell, a very good Machinist would be able to make an entirely new Platter Bearing, instead of a 1/2" Shaft, it could be 3/4", as long as certain dimensions are adhered to, that the new Bearing-Spindle properly fit the Platter, one would only be needing to enlarge the Plinth to Mount the new Bearing.

Sky's the limit in a sense dependent upon time, money, and the right person making such parts.
Galabier design made such massive bearings, but were probably more required in being that some of their Platters hovered around the 40lb mark.

What VPI used though was adequate for all the Platters they made.

The ultimate Platter that one could probably ever hope to acquire for the HW-19, that title probably would go to their Super Platter, which weighed 25lbs, and could be used on the VPI HR-X Table. There were two versions, and yes, one was made specifcallly for the HW-19 Table.

I think when it was offered, that Platter was something like $1000-$1100.

Today, and if VPI still had that same Platter for sale, the price would likely be $2,000 and above.

There was once a point in time, where VPI Platters were popping up all over the place. Folks taking one Platter off their Table, whatever it was, HW-19 Model, TNT, Aries, and upgrading the Platter, thus it was sometimes not hard to upgrade the simplest and least expensive HW-19 Table Model, the Junior, and take that Table to a much higher level of sonics.

I know, because I did such myself to my lowly Junior Model. I installed a early all Delrin, Lead Ring Platter that was from a MK-IV Table I believe. Best I could measure on a Bathroom Scale, this Platter weighs 16lbs.
The original frosted Acrylic Platter on the Junior weighed 6lbs.

Mass can also be added by Platter Clamps or Weights. Due to it's Diameter though (11.5") no Periphery Rings that VPI sells will fit such Platters.
 
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As far as lubricating Oils used for an application like the HW-19 Bearing, the different types, brands, and what their applications are designed for are almost endless.

I know VPI used to market their own Oils for the HW-19 and others and probably still do.

Just to add, I believe Harry at VPI himself was one who agreed a good synthetic motor oil would be perfectly fine, and usually suggested 30w.
 
As far as lubricating Oils used for an application like the HW-19 Bearing, the different types, brands, and what their applications are designed for are almost endless.

I know VPI used to market their own Oils for the HW-19 and others and probably still do.

Just to add, I believe Harry at VPI himself was one who agreed a good synthetic motor oil would be perfectly fine, and usually suggested 30w.

I used to have VPI oil. Don't know where it's at now.

I spoke to Harry a few times back in the day when I had my other tables. Always enjoyable. I really liked his non fussy attitude with all of this.

Thanks again for all of your input. Much appreciated.
 
As far as doing any full disassembly of the Bearing, meaning also removing the Brass Threaded Plug at the bottom for cleaning, changing thrust bearing, etc, I have he
I used to have VPI oil. Don't know where it's at now.

I spoke to Harry a few times back in the day when I had my other tables. Always enjoyable. I really liked his non fussy attitude with all of this.

Thanks again for all of your input. Much appreciated.

Do keep us posted. As I'm sure you can tell, I enjoy speaking of the HW-19
 
As far as doing any full disassembly of the Bearing, meaning also removing the Brass Threaded Plug at the bottom for cleaning, changing thrust bearing, etc, I have he


Do keep us posted. As I'm sure you can tell, I enjoy speaking of the HW-19

Yes I will. I'm actually a bit surprised at how much I've enjoyed my first few days with this table. I have plenty of other tables that I really like, and took this in trade more to get rid of a troublesome component then to add yet another table. But I knew how musical these early VPI efforts were, so I went for it. Am very glad that I did. I especially am glad that it came with the acrylic/lead platter, which I think is one of the secret weapons of this table. I remember when they stopped using them, I think because of controversy over the lead but my memory might be failing there.

Anyway, good stuff.
 
Yes I will. I'm actually a bit surprised at how much I've enjoyed my first few days with this table. I have plenty of other tables that I really like, and took this in trade more to get rid of a troublesome component then to add yet another table. But I knew how musical these early VPI efforts were, so I went for it. Am very glad that I did. I especially am glad that it came with the acrylic/lead platter, which I think is one of the secret weapons of this table. I remember when they stopped using them, I think because of controversy over the lead but my memory might be failing there.

Anyway, good stuff.

It's quite a lot like a DIY Modular Table. And I found that each little area is easy to improve upon with a bit of tweakage here and there. I've had a good deal of fun with mine.
 
I was not aware of this thread so it looks like I have a lot of reading to get caught up on.

I was lucky enough to become a VPI owner this past November by getting a NOS Traveler turntable at the Capital Audio Fest. It was a great deal and was fortunate to meet Mat.

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Learning the ropes on this one getting a lot of feed back from turntable. Just for laughs look at my post in the garage sales. See what a deal I got on it.
 
Learning the ropes on this one getting a lot of feed back from turntable. Just for laughs look at my post in the garage sales. See what a deal I got on it.

Assuming it was a good deal, I'd rather not look.....for jealousy's sake. That's a very impressive table you've got there, enjoy it! My Classic "2.5" is darn good but that HRX definitely takes care of most of the minor complaints that people do have with the Classic series.
 
Assuming it was a good deal, I'd rather not look.....for jealousy's sake. That's a very impressive table you've got there, enjoy it! My Classic "2.5" is darn good but that HRX definitely takes care of most of the minor complaints that people do have with the Classic series.
Let’s say I got very lucky that day.
 
hi, wondering on the compatibility of tonearms other than the JMW memorial 10 on a VPI classic. looking to replace one. would another manufacturer work on there or would it have to be from VPI? I would like to replace with their gimbal arm, but looking to see if there is a more affordable option.
 
Nothing surprises me when it comes to dealing with VPI directly. They have had $7,000.00 of my money for months now. I am still awaiting a refund for a returned Tonearm, and shipment of a new FB10 Tonearm. It’s one excuse after another. I recommend going through Music Direct for anything related to VPI.
 
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