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We are doomed

Possibly the post of the year. The "scared old man shaking fist at foolish kids" posts get really old.

It's funny how so many people bash the iPod. I'd be willing to bet that a large majority of these people carried around a Walkman back in the day, probably loaded with recording from misaligned heads and worn belts to boot.

dnewma04 said:
Kind of like BSR record changers and sound design all in wonders were the old sound for the old generation. Except that the old sound for the old generation was actually significantly worse fidelity than many of the ipod/earbud listeners are hearing.
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I think I just threw up a little.
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Hmmm, maybe THIS is the post of the year.

RayW said:
The fact that "they" have better bandwidth and most likely better fidelity sound in their cars does not mean they don't appreciate "their" music as much as a balding guy in his mid 50's sitting in front of his 1970's Pioneer stack listening to Dark Side of the Moon over and over.
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I should retract what I said about Best Buy, Future Shop, et al. I'm no fan of the big boxes and I have no idea what brands they carry, but the last time that I was in one, they still had "listening rooms" and hypothetically, someone could go into one of those stores, tell a salesman that they were looking for a modestly priced stereo system for JUST playing music and come out with decent equipment. So I'll at least give them the benefit of the doubt until someone convinces me otherwise.

As for actual high fidelity/stereo shops, there don't seem to be many of those around anymore. I think you have to be in a relatively large city before you will find many of them. And yeah, the Internet, is great, but it requires certain prior knowledge and skills in order to be used effectively.

I totally agree with the idea that "where there's a will, there's a way" in relation to acquiring good audio equipment. It just seems more complicated and with more pitfalls than it was in ye good olde days. Too much junk, too many bogus options, too much misinformation. Which is why forums such as this one are so valuable.
 
Dodog, I love that second quote - it get to the heart of the matter.

The painful truth for some is that our beloved "vinyl resurgence" is being driven by this next generation of listeners.

It's a cool statement about how AK has grown as a community, in that three years ago, when I joined, these "young people are destroying music/can't appreciate music" kinds of conversations were generationally tilted affairs.

It's very reassuring how many people under the age of 40 (or 30) have contributed to this thread.
 
Soren Hammer said:
Having read most of the thread, I agree that it is a shame that there are so few of us.

Many of my friends (I'm 18) are unfortunately riding the ipod wave, using youtube downloads and 128 kbs MP3's at best.

Luckily, it has succeeded for me to convince some of them to consider Hi-fi. My best friend was pleased when he got a pair of fine B&O speakers to accompany his mediocre JVC surround receiver for playing 256 kbs files (320 and lossless when playing music he got from me).

My ex-girlfriend was surprised to hear the difference between a youtube clip and a type I cassette recorded from an LP on my Beocord 9000, but never adapted it.

My current girlfriend had become very curious about it and asked me to source a system for her. Found a Beogram 8000, supplied with a fine Beomaster 3300 and small B&O bookshelf speakers. She's happy and have found out that the lossless files are better sounding than youtube rips.

Two of my female cousins have also asked me to find systems for them. one Beogram 4002 with a Beomaster 2400-2 and small bookshelf speakers for the oldest, a Beogram 4000 (found one dirt cheap) with a Beomaster 4400 and large 4-way B&O speakers.

All their visiting friends have complimented the cool design and sound of the systems and would consider buying one themselves.

All in all, I feel like I have achieved something: Letting people in my age know that there are better ways to enjoy music out there.
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BRAVO!! Keep up the good work!! :thmbsp:
 
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dnewma04 said:
Kind of like BSR record changers and sound design all in wonders were the old sound for the old generation. Except that the old sound for the old generation was actually significantly worse fidelity than many of the ipod/earbud listeners are hearing.

(I don't know, some of the old gear sounded pretty really wonderful!!)

Funny how things never change. It's the same as it always was. Except today's generation has far more good music available to them than any subsequent generation.

(todays generation has a wealth of great music availiable to them. CD really changed that. You can buy ANYTHING now.

Technology rocks.

(If you say so. I think Technology is expensive and goes out of date immediately, unless the device malfunctions first, which it just may)


It's kind of like teens back in the 70s and 80s loading their pioneer home speakers in the back seat and cranking it at 120 dB, isn't it? Those damn youth of today, doing exactly what every generation before them have.

(some things never change)

I think your mistake is this. You are assuming that the tiny minority of people who cared back when you were young were a majority. They weren't. I have absolutely no idea what you talking about regarding the la la de da stuff?

(Music was the audio fuel for the Hippy revolution. Everyone was tuned in. / La la de dah stuff: Seems to me everyone is trying to sing melodies now-a-days. If that's what you like, or others like, so be it. Enjoy)

You don't understand that someone wants to listen to music? In the end, that's what the method you are criticizing is providing. You do understand that probably 19 out of 20 people will never understand why you like your 70s speakers and 80s sansui integrated?

(***AlNiCo magneted mids and woofers "12 inch" in big box enclosures!***
And my '87 Sansui AU-X901 amp shines with quality and sound. That's why I love the amp. It sounds wonderful, especially in 'source direct' mode. Sounds pretty darn fine.)

This is just silly.

(What's silly? - don't remember the topic)

You are hopelessly out of touch with modern music. It's almost tragic. How can you comment on something you are so clearly out of touch with? What inside of you causes you to comment? You heard a car a few times with deep loud bass and therefore the entire generation of young people listen to crap music on crap car stereo systems?

(Hopelessly out of touch!! haha. You got that Right!!!!!!!!!!! but I don't consider it tragic. I've heard it, I don't like it, I don't want to hear it, but it's not as bad as Rap! LOL. And I really don't care for heavily distored bass to give the Boom Boom. I have heard some of the new music. it's just not my cup of tea. My nephew plays it all the time. I don't know the bands names, he digs it. cool.)


I would lose sleep if I knew there was another.

(please don't lose sleep. sleep is important!)

You need to hang in the music forums, get past your digital phobia and listen to some pandora and discover what's out there. I have never seen a better time for music in my lifetime and the best of it coming out is in roots style music. Stop shutting down in the face of digital because of some silly misconceptions about digital and listen.

(Digital music is fine. I have 600+ CDs. I don't have a digital phobia. Just don't care for the sound of digital. it just feels...not real, to me, no: "Yeah Bash", but many 'sound' really great. That's all. Some CDs sound outstanding, expecially on New(er) quality CD players which are amazing, but they still lack 'feeling'. CDs are fine. For 20 years I was on the road and CDs saved my butt!! Can't haul records and record players around the world! it just don't work that way.)


I think I just threw up a little.
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(Gotta stop mixing wiskey, beer, and wine together at the same time!! Those 3 never go together well. )

:>)

It's all cool and "every day is a holiday" after you have been to war.

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DANEWMA04: Do me a favor, please, and give me the names of 5 'really good bands' now-a-days **and the Titles of the albums, so I get the right ones**.
I will check it out, promise...I'll buy the CDs. I need to 'get hip!!' :>) I'll give em a try.
Thanks in advance!!
 
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Tapehead47 said:
Bad music on poor systems raised to the level of acceptance. It's part of the dumbing down of America.
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I think I know a guy who said the same thing in 1967. Might have been Mitch Miller talking about that "fad" rock-n-roll.

If you want to see dumbing down (certainly not confined to America), look to the bleeding mis-use of the bleeding apostrophe (happens here every single day - every time I see someone post something like "check out my new speaker's" I want to reply with "your speaker's what?"). We aren't doomed by kids listening to badly recorded music with earbuds, we are doomed by abominable communications due to marginal literacy.

Music, regardless of format, playback or genre enriches the listener. I'm listening to internet radio jazz on a laptop right now because my system isn't set up. It beats the silent alternative.
 
"These kids and their damned automobiles"- old man walking through a pile of horse ****, just before he tripped over a wagon rut.

"These kids and their damned fire"- shivering old caveman.

"These kids... and their ...(heavy breathing) ...damned... bows and arrows"- out of breath old man chasing a large animal with a spear.

"These kids and their damned gunpowder" - old man beating on the wall of a castle with a rock right before boiling oil was poured on him.

"These kids and their damned books"- old man who can't figure out how to put a bookmark in a scroll.

"These kids and their damned water jugs" - old man about to get eaten by a lion on his daily walk to the creek.

"These kids and their damned gloves"- old man with nothing but stumps from frostbite.

"These kids and their damned ipods"- old man who didn't hear that new band on Pandora that would have given him a lot of good listening sessions.
 
JohnVF said:
"These kids their damned ipods"- old man who didn't hear that new band on Pandora that would have given him a lot of good listening sessions.
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Amen. And never mind that you can work with with an ipod or an laptop to get sound that runs circles around an entry level turntable or, for that matter, many cd players. Give many in this younger generation some years and we'll see them using these maligned devices to listen to, and share, 24/96 audio - and discovering all kinds of great new music.
 
I completely agree. We're not entirely doomed as it takes time for the younger generation to appreciate quality audio. Just think, How concerned were you with quality in Junior High? It's gotten significantly worse with the proliferation of file sharing, but all that's increasing that tipping point where a true connoisseur becomes an audiophile
 
twoohsix said:
I completely agree. We're not entirely doomed as it takes time for the younger generation to appreciate quality audio. Just think, How concerned were you with quality in Junior High? It's gotten significantly worse with the proliferation of file sharing, but all that's increasing that tipping point where a true connoisseur becomes an audiophile
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By junior high I was playing pro as a member of my local Junior Philharmonic and was a musician's union cardholding member. I was and am damn serious about sound then and now. I had to go to my neighbor's house to listen to Alice Cooper, B S &T, Jethro Tull, the Moody Blues and Grand Funk on his Kenwood/Sansui rig, and believe you me, I was there every afternoon after school before dinner! I might be the exception but it is what it is (was what it was?)...:D
 
My Dad was into audio/music from the late 40's on, so I was always exposed to it, and the seed germinated in high school from then on. I'll never forget one night though, I was maybe in 9th grade, got home later in the evening, and Mom and Dad were going to be gone for a while, so I went into the living room, and cranked on Dad's big corner Altec Duplexe's:banana::music: It was a great 30 seconds or so:banana: then "oops", yeah you guessed it,,,,,Mom and Dad "had" come home "early" and guess "who" just woke them up??:yes:
 
On another note and back to how we're doomed.....

I hung out with a young lady last night who is a technician at what is probably one of the better analog recording studios in the country. She mentioned the Studer tape machines they have. She also works in a record store. We had a long conversation about the advantages and disadvantages of analog and digital recording, selective use of compression, analog vs digital compression, tape editing vs pro-tools, and how sound engineers should qualify for creative-credit/residuals on albums who's 'sound' they create.

So, yeah, we're doomed. All of today's youth listen to mp3s and love it.
 
RayW said:
Sounds like an interesting evening, John.
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It was. She's a fascinating girl and a good friend. I just didn't know until last night the extent of her expertise in recording, as we usually just chat about music (she's also a musician).

But it goes to show how we really can't assume anything. Sure, she's an exception but she could probably school most people here on both sound and music. And she's young, and female. She also has "these big speakers that have, like, burlap on the front".

Maybe audiokarma's dream girl?
 
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