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What was (is?) the best of the best casette deck?

B has always been my preferred Dolby as well, never cared for the DBX ither.....

Getting off topic, I know, but how does Dolby S compare to the others? I've got a nice Yamaha three head deck with HX Pro and Dolby S. I wonder how it would fare against some of the machines mentioned here?

This isn't my machine - this one is in rougher condition than the one at my house. The photo gives you a sense of the aesthetics, however.
 

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Rushfan, going by your moniker, I'm thinking you'll need to choose your NR carefully so as not to lose those high frequencies. You don't want to cut out the entire vocal ;-)
 
I've been wondering if anyone in the SMAC club would be interested in a cassette deck showdown/evaluation? I've asked some members and I usually get told it would be a pain, and not many people would be interested. What do you guys think? SMAC meets once per month in south east michigan. A technical test of both recording and playback from the same reference recording, source and interconnects would be interesting.
 
Well something like this would be all about personal preference.
I got a 1980 Aurex PC-X12 cassette deck that's obviously a cheap model, but it sounds excellent, and the recording quality is absolutely phenominal.
So I'd say this is an excellent tape deck.
Who cares if the face is all plastic, as long as it works very well, im happy lol
 
I know, I know, I'm most likely biased (no pun intended), but Harmon Kardon produced a pretty darn good unit (HK400XM). I'm not getting rid of this one.
 
This is such a highly debatable topic... And there are sooooo many really good tape decks. As far as the "best" is concerned, based on reputation, here is a list of "holy grail" tapedecks that come to mind:

  • Nakamichi Dragon
  • Nakamichi ZX1000
  • Nakamichi ZX9
  • Nakamichi ZX7
  • Revox 215
  • Tandberg TCD 3014
  • Tandberg TCD 910

And here's a short list of really outstanding decks I've had some first-hand experience with, which I have no problem recommending:

  • Nakamichi 582 (from 1979-1981 this was a reference standard deck. I have one and its an amazing piece of work.)
  • Pioneer CT-F1250 (Super cool silver w/blue LEDs. A beautiful, tank of a tape deck. A friend of mine had one and I was always in awe of the recordings it made and how it looked)
  • Pioneer CT-F950 (Basically an older version of the 1250, very similar, same "look at me" and "listen to me" factor.)
  • Tascam 122 (MkI & MkII) (A good friend of mine has a MKI and its up there with my Nak in quality of sound and build. But, I'd avoid a "studio" or "broadcast" deck as they have typically been beaten to death with regular use)
  • Denon DN-790R (Denon's flagship tapedeck, very well respected. I've heard many tapes made on this deck and it is fabulous)
  • Denon DR-M700 (I have one, it continues to impress me, especially since I only paid $35 for it!)
  • Sony KC-K81 (My stepdad has had one of these since the early 80's, tapes I made on that deck still sound fantastic)
  • Nakamichi RX-505 & RX-303 (these are UDAR decks where the tape ejects and flips to play the other side. The 505 & 303 are basically the same deck, except that the 505 is a 3-head unit and the 303 is a 2 head deck. There is also an RX-202 2-head, which is the most common. The RX-202 is basically a BX deck in an RX case, its not bad, but the other two are better and actually share much of their signal processing circuitry with the Dragon. I have the RX-303 and it is very, very good.)
  • Onkyo TA-2058 (cheap, really good deck. I had one and kinda regret getting rid of it, but in its place I got the Nak 582, so I'm not too sad)
  • Nakamichi BX-300 (buy one cheap, have it reconditioned by a pro, you'll be happy)

Truth be told, pretty much any of the TOTL 3-head Denon, Yamaha, Onkyo, Akai, Fostex, Aiwa, Sony ES, Pioneer Elite & Teac are worth a listen and are capable of doing a well enough job to where you wouldn't feel you were missing too much if you didn't get one from either of the lists above.

The best decks typically (at minimum) allow the user to adjust bias for different tape types and monitor your recording as it's being made. Quite a few of the Naks (like the 58X, 68X, Dragon) provide built-in test tones and allow you to independently adjust L/R bias and recording volume for each type of cassette. I know on my 582, twiddling with these adjustments the right way can result in fantastic recordings, even on mediocre tapes. I know some of the newer Sony decks have an auto calibration feature that supposedly works pretty well and eliminates the need for user adjustments.

The really important thing is that the deck is properly calibrated (azimuth & speed) and in good working order. Heads and tape path need to be cleaned every so often, and you should not let a deck go unused for prolonged periods. In my experience, the more complex the deck, the more it needs to be used regularly in order to stay in peak working condition. Kinda like a car... let it sit too long and things start to break when you do use it.

If you asked this question because you are legitimately looking for a top-line deck, you may also want to consider the avialability of support and parts. Since good tape decks are no longer manufactured, you really only have the used pool to pick from. Do your homework well, and be careful, careful, careful buying any decks on ebay. I think you might even be better off combing the classifieds or Craigslist where you can go give a deck a listen before you plop down cash. The shipping monkeys have killed many a tape deck and sellers that "don't have a tape to test" or say things like "it worked the last time I used it" are really telling you that you need to have the deck serviced.

Me, I'll take a good tape deck and tape over a CD and a CD player any day as I'm a card-carrying member of the "I listen to my CDs on tape" club. :D
 
Let us not forget the venerable Advent 201. When working well, still competitive with many current machines in sound quality. Mechanically competitive with a Tandberg in many ways. And this is 1971 technology at that. Also made in the good old USA to boot. In portable decks, the best of the Marantz machines are far superior to the Walkman Pro line from Sony.
 
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What no love for the Pioneer CTF-1000?

The CT-F1000 was my second great cassette deck. The first, a Dual C-939 was as good (IMO), but I, and the salesman, were so new to the medium, that we didn't know that it was an auto reverse (manual didn't tell, either), so, he swapped it out for a CT-F1000. This was a new deck and I enjoyed it for 20+ years.
No real qualified repair service then, and after a $100 repair at the Hi-Fi Buys (our Tweeters) repair shop that only lasted a few months, I messed it up badly trying to replace the belts and drive wheels. Finally trashed it after saving the pretty VU meters. Pity that I didn't know about AK until 5-6 years later. :tears:

I still play tapes made on it after 25 years...Maxell UDXL ll and TDK SA.
 
Well something like this would be all about personal preference.
I got a 1980 Aurex PC-X12 cassette deck that's obviously a cheap model, but it sounds excellent, and the recording quality is absolutely phenominal.
So I'd say this is an excellent tape deck.
Who cares if the face is all plastic, as long as it works very well, im happy lol

Going by personal preference, I'll vote for my little Marantz PMD 430. Toy like in appearance, book sized, battery or wall wart operation, 3 heads, VU meters and the specs are 75-80% of what the BEST claim to be. Read another's test results of this unit.
www.audio-ideas.com/reviews/analog-sources/marantz-pmd430.html - 64k -
 
[*]Denon DN-790R (Denon's flagship tapedeck, very well respected. I've heard many tapes made on this deck and it is fabulous)

My DR-M44HX looks a lot like this deck except for the rack mounts. Plays all my old tapes very well. Hope to fix the weak record channel..the other channel works great!!
 
Before moving off to Germany in 1978, I sold my Pioneer CTF-9191 and then bought a Technics RS-M85 when I got overseas. Although the Pioneer was visually much more appealing and massive, to me the Technics beat it sonically by a country mile . It is 2 motor direct drive, Dolby B with SX heads (Sendust Extra). I still use it and it works perfectly (no repairs in 30 years of service).
 
Two other decks some people call "the best" are the Aiwa XK-S9000 and the Sony TCKA6ES. A boxed example of the latter sold recently in Germany for over €700.

The Aiwa TOTL machines are magic - but finding one is impossible. IMHO - the best "findable" decks are the Sony TC decks with Dobly S. It was the technology that made Dolby a real winner. Unfortunately, it came along when CDs were taking over and was too late to make a serious inroad as far as sales. I think Dolby S competes well with DAT for sound quality and certainly with reel tape running w/o noise reduction.
 
I'll second Aiwa - I am using XK-S7000 as my main deck for recording and playback at the moment. It is almost as good as 9000, but 7000 is much easier to find for a reasonable money. These are very serviceable, reliable, sound quality is better than any of my Naks (OK, I don't have very top Naks, only BX-300 and Cassette Deck 1.5 fully operational at the moment, 482 and DR-2 are waiting their turn to be serviced).

My second favourite for playback is Technics RS-M85/88 (I've got 3 of those). Very nice sound. Here is an example - 2 min fragment digitised into 24 bit 88.2 kHz from an old pre-recorded cassette played back on RS-M85. Original recording is from 1964, cassette made in 1989. No Dolby is used, EQ=120us. Zipped WAV file is 60 Mb.

Alex
 
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If the cassette deck is made properly than the S/N ratio (ref. 3% THD) without any NR could be in order of 64-66 dB A-wtd with 70us EQ (Type 2 or Type 4 tapes) . Dolby is not really required with this kind of S/N and I personally never use Dolby for my cassette recordings.

Alex

When Dolby "B" first started becoming popular the average S/N Ratio of your typical cassette deck was likely 45 - 50 dBA, with the really good ones hitting maybe 55 dBA. I think the limitation was in the then available tape formulations. Tape hiss was clearly audible when one played back any tape recorded without noise reduction. When properly playing back a Dolby encoded tape there was a dramatic improvement in playback quality.

Before Dolby "B" a few manufacturers experimented with DNR. or Dynamic Noise Reduction. It's a single-ended noise reduction device that is used in playback only. I had a Sony deck that had a very sophisticated version of DNR that did a commendable job of reducing hiss. Overused it would kill high frequency response and if the tape being played back was recorded at too high a level or had a lot of high transient content hf content (cymbals) it could be heard "pumping", a form of audible distortion caused by the noise-gate circuitry being too slow to properly follow the high frequency content. My Sony didn't have much of a problem with this but most of the decks with DNR did. Dolby "B" worked better with cheaper circuitry and the DNR experiment was dead by about 1974.
 
The best that I have auditioned is the Akai GX912.

Do not make the mistake of dismissing this machine before listening to it yourself.

Simply put, sonically grand.

I would like to audition and possibly own the following:

1. Nakamichi CR-7A
2. Esoteric V-9000
3. Tandberg 3004
4. Akai GX95
5. Aiwa XK-S9000

. . . . . . to name a few . . . . .

Cheers
 
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