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What's your "go to song" to test bass in your rig?

Massive Attack’s Angel from their 1999 album Mezzanine is always a good way to find weaknesses or rattles.
Good one! I gotta put that one on. Funny but I don't listen to all that much music like this, but that album to me is so perfectly realized that it's become a big favorite of mine. it's like if something is done at a high enough level it doesn't really matter what genre it's in... it transcends all of that.
 
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Massive Attack’s Angel from their 1999 album Mezzanine is always a good way to find weaknesses or rattles.
Massive Attack had some pretty decent stuff back when. Of the same era, Crystal Method's song High Roller will give just about any rig a test when the bass eventually kicks in -- it goes down loooow. I was surprised once when I queued it up on a buddy's system with some mid sized bookshelf speakers and the note just wasn't there...
 
Me again.
This time, back to Persian Mysticism EDM (Trance? classical persian mysticism, solidly electronified)
live recording by,.... :beatnik:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/74u2u5ik91qhmo9/mysticism-edm_1644_t04.flac?dl=0

Solid standing spike at 18hz (see towering spike at the -48dB graph). I love getting hammered into my seat by massive amplitude.
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I can't stop listening to this genre, due to the recent FUBAR'ing. I have lots of dear friends from the surrounding regions (fortunately here stateside for decades now).
 
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Me again.
This time, back to Persian Mysticism EDM (Trance? classical persian mysticism, solidly electronified)
live recording by,.... :beatnik:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/74u2u5ik91qhmo9/mysticism-edm_1644_t04.flac?dl=0

Solid standing spike at 18hz (see towering spike at the -48dB graph). I love getting hammered into my seat by massive amplitude.
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I can't stop listening to this genre, due to the recent FUBAR'ing. I have lots of dear friends from the surrounding regions (fortunately here stateside for decades now).
You need to experience a Stereo Integrity 24 inch subwoofer some day. significant 120db output at 16hz in a normal room, and 8hz shakes your core. And has some of the tightest audiophile quality bass out there. 1 of them has the same amount of displacement of (8) 18 inch drivers.
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80 pound magnet for total control of the moving assembly/zero boominess. This one has the optional Carbon Fiber cone and dust cap
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When you hear and buy one of these you will have bought the last sub in your life.
 
Telarc recording of Michael Murray playing Oliver Messian. Powerful 16hz pedal notes throughout. Starts at 31:20 minutes, songs are segmented. Get ready for 8 minutes of bliss, IF your sub can deliver 100db at 16hz, otherwise keep it turned down.
 
Telarc recording of Michael Murray playing Oliver Messian. Powerful 16hz pedal notes throughout. Starts at 31:20 minutes, songs are segmented. Get ready for 8 minutes of bliss, IF your sub can deliver 100db at 16hz, otherwise keep it turned down.
This organ used Velodne and Cerwin-Vega subs for three of the larger pedal stops (at the time of this recording). CV did the big reed, I think. Velodyne for the flue stops.
 
This organ used Velodne and Cerwin-Vega subs for three of the larger pedal stops (at the time of this recording). CV did the big reed, I think. Velodyne for the flue stops.

I would have never imagined the organ builder using subs like that. Any Velodyne limits the travel of the driver the lower you go so that it protects the driver. Must have used multiples of CV subs too. I'm curious how you found this out?
 
I would have never imagined the organ builder using subs like that. Any Velodyne limits the travel of the driver the lower you go so that it protects the driver. Must have used multiples of CV subs too. I'm curious how you found this out?
They used maaaany subs in the original design. This is a common practice in organ building when there’s no room for actual 32’ pipework. That stuff can be quite huge, both in height and width.

I found out from someone who did a walking tour of the chambers when it was new, (they saw them) and then in The American Organist magazine. Also, I think Audio Mag mentioned it in a review of one of the few discs made between 1985-6.

At the time, a Velodyne ULS-18 would put out the most and cleanest 16hz bass in a set it and forget it setup.

Edit: Nowadays, the electronic or digital bass stops can outperform a pipe rank in complex rooms.

For instance, this 2007 Cornell Zimmer install exclusively uses digital 32’ stops. There’s five or six of them. And they can rumble!
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They used maaaany subs in the original design. This is a common practice in organ building when there’s no room for actual 32’ pipework. That stuff can be quite huge, both in height and width.

I found out from someone who did a walking tour of the chambers when it was new, (they saw them) and then in The American Organist magazine. Also, I think Audio Mag mentioned it in a review of one of the few discs made between 1985-6.

At the time, a Velodyne ULS-18 would put out the most and cleanest 16hz bass in a set it and forget it setup.

Edit: Nowadays, the electronic or digital bass stops can outperform a pipe rank in complex rooms.

For instance, this 2007 Cornell Zimmer install exclusively uses digital 32’ stops. There’s five or six of them. And they can rumble!
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I built the subs for that organ as I worked for the company for 7 years. After I left he went back to using the antiquated huge box (32 cu ft) Walker Technical units. It was ridiculous trying to put those refrigerator sized boxes in the chambers. I designed all my subs to use Sonotube enclosures as they were lightweight and could stand up in the corners, or even be hung from the ceilings when there was no floor space left because of all the wind chests.
 
I built the subs for that organ as I worked for the company for 7 years. After I left he went back to using the antiquated huge box (32 cu ft) Walker Technical units. It was ridiculous trying to put those refrigerator sized boxes in the chambers. I designed all my subs to use Sonotube enclosures as they were lightweight and could stand up in the corners, or even be hung from the ceilings when there was no floor space left because of all the wind chests.
I worked with Angerstein on voicing the 32’. It wasn’t easy in that room, there’s a lot of null. The 32’ reeds were way too soft, I had him program some bite.
I think the sonotube subs were swapped out for the large boxes in that organ, maybe a year or so later (in the front organ). I’m not sure about the pedal in the back up in the attic. However the use of Mackie pro powered speakers for the ethereal and the rest of the rear electronic divisions was not a good idea. Very shouty and boxy, but somehow Dana (cannot think of his last name) of church acoustics convinced Cornell Zimmer to use em. Disastrous!
 
You need to experience a Stereo Integrity 24 inch subwoofer some day. significant 120db output at 16hz in a normal room, and 8hz shakes your core. And has some of the tightest audiophile quality bass out there. 1 of them has the same amount of displacement of (8) 18 inch drivers.
sWKrcXT.jpg

ZY85WBY.jpg

80 pound magnet for total control of the moving assembly/zero boominess. This one has the optional Carbon Fiber cone and dust cap
nJfFzg5.jpg


When you hear and buy one of these you will have bought the last sub in your life.

Is that you in the pictures? You have that subwoofer?! Wow.

I don’t find my speakers lacking in bass in anyway but I would love to hear that sucker. I thought someday I might get a JBL fathom or build some kind of infinite baffle system with an 18 inch sub or two firing up into an attic or a fireplace or the wall. That thing looks super serious though! Someday I would also like to hear that rotary subwoofer that uses the blades. Supposedly it can get down to one Hz
 
Is that you in the pictures? You have that subwoofer?! Wow.

I don’t find my speakers lacking in bass in anyway but I would love to hear that sucker. I thought someday I might get a JBL fathom or build some kind of infinite baffle system with an 18 inch sub or two firing up into an attic or a fireplace or the wall. That thing looks super serious though! Someday I would also like to hear that rotary subwoofer that uses the blades. Supposedly it can get down to one Hz
That is a Stereo Integrity employee. The rotary is 13K dollars and you have to have a rear room/chamber for it. The 24" SI sub goes down to the single digits too at a fraction of the cost and does so in a small box and kills the Fathom in output and extension.
 
I worked with Angerstein on voicing the 32’. It wasn’t easy in that room, there’s a lot of null. The 32’ reeds were way too soft, I had him program some bite.
I think the sonotube subs were swapped out for the large boxes in that organ, maybe a year or so later (in the front organ). I’m not sure about the pedal in the back up in the attic. However the use of Mackie pro powered speakers for the ethereal and the rest of the rear electronic divisions was not a good idea. Very shouty and boxy, but somehow Dana (cannot think of his last name) of church acoustics convinced Cornell Zimmer to use em. Disastrous!
now that I look at it more, I think that was the last organ I worked on and didn't go on the installation. Dan is a cool guy but I'm really surprised that Cornel hired Dan as Dan was on his poo poo list when I left the company. At one time we were using the 824 Mackie studio monitors, but I heard he went back to all Walker stuff.:thumbsdown:
 
now that I look at it more, I think that was the last organ I worked on and didn't go on the installation. Dan is a cool guy but I'm really surprised that Cornel hired Dan as Dan was on his poo poo list when I left the company. At one time we were using the 824 Mackie studio monitors, but I heard he went back to all Walker stuff.:thumbsdown:
Charles, the then music director of the church (and very good friend) pushed for Dan A. He did well for that instrument.
The Mackie stuff, it’s really terrible for strings, and that whole division is strings. Plastic boxes aren’t where it’s at for neutrality. Indeed these are the 824, Charles did try to fund raise for their replacement, but he retired before that went anywhere.
A few parishioners got involved in the bass end, trying to insulate and solve rattles.
I’d have preferred an exclusively pipe based install, but room is an issue in the church.
 
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