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Why do you hate LCD/Plasma

The plasma works very well for me because it faces North and the 3-pane window in the room is on the East side. The TV sits at the South end of the room well past the windows.
 
The main thing I hate about LCDs or plasma screens is the outrageous cost compared to a CRT. I mean, c'mon, a name-brand LCD TV of decent size that's on sale will be like $800, $1000, and the equivalent CRT had been only about $300. Yes, I know they inherently cost more, but buying a replacement TV when the living room or bedroom CRT dies is now a major investment... and probably won't last as long as a CRT, either. Not good. The prices will have to come down to CRT levels for me to even consider buying one.

And.. if they could make an LCD TV look as sharp as my LCD computer monitor, then I'd look again. Haven't seen one yet, though.

Tom
 
I love my Sharp Aquos 37" LCD. No complaints whatsoever. Except the audio. Had it over 2 yrs now. Don't plan on going to HD either. Pic is so good I don't need HD.
 
I don't hate either as I own both. A 50" plasma in the living room, 37" LCD in my bedroom and a 32" LCD in my office. Now, the old tube tv's....I hate those big a$$ bulky back breakers that are destined for the landfill.
 
What I despise is the way they're being shoved down our throats..WE should be the ones who decide if WE want CRTs or the newer tech, not the smarmy marketing dept...
 
In opposition to Snade, I like big speakers and even bigger TV's. I guess I would have to say I like LCDs because that is what I have in my projector. Although my projector was cheaper and most CRTs, costing me only $97. Although I did build it myself and it is only SD (320x240. Or in TV resolutions 240p). It is still the biggest TV I have ever has the pleasure of viewing and playing games on and such at 123". :D And yes the pixels are huge and you do get use to them after a while and then just completely ignore them.
 
Oh, I definitely like big speakers, too, (within reason, of course) but the 50" is as big a TV as I needed or wanted as I'm not a huge TV watcher. But it's nice to have the RPTV/CRT's all out of the house.
 
daer21 said:
To be fair there was a minor format war when DVD came out and now nobody minds.
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Format war? Do you mean DIVX from Circuit City? :rolleyes: IMO there was no war, and obviously me and a few million others agreed and avoided DIVX like the plague.

The dvd format is the most successful consumer entertainment format ever, partly because there was NO format war. Though Sony early on, around 1995 IIRC, was going to go it alone (again!!!) with a version of their own, but through much negotiating they were convinced to stick with everyone else........and look what happened.

The selfishness of so many companies these days i.e. not wanting to cooperate with each other when designing a format for the mass market, is sooooo nauseating to witness. It is so frigging obvious that just like with a football or other sports team, if you work together big things can be accomplished! But no, they think - somehow - if they work by themselves they'll get much richer even if it means splintering the market. Uh huh, yea I sure see those Blu-Ray and HD-DVD players just flying off the shelves. :no:

Lets be honest DVD is 13 years old. It's time for a new format. A little competition, while very annoying, is probably healthy.
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Healthy for who, CEOs and their shareholders? What about us, the consumers? Many of us can barely afford braces for our kids, make payments on 5 year old cars and can't afford health insurance so we pray no one gets sick.

And wow, thirteen years: so very, very old............nah. The CD is 25 years old and still sounds great (please, no analog/digital debates :D).

While I agree HD images sourced from a well-authored disc or clean signal during an OTA broadcast can look stunning, many "old-fashioned" dvds can look very good on that same monitor.

When those Sony SXRD sets arrived locally back in 2005, I took my Attack Of The Clones disc up there and after we calibrated the 60" SXRD model, via a $150 dvd player/component connection that standard def picture looked just great....and that was standing six feet away from it! No scan lines, no video jaggies, beautiful color. And when I later bought the Superbit version of The Fifth Element, and watched it on that TV and other large HDTVs of various technologies, if you weren't paying attention it looked nearly like HD (on all these monitors, in addition to calibrating them by eye or with certain discs' THX Optimizer, I made sure to turn off any "image enhancement" modes, which almost always adds junky video artifacts to the image and also deactivated all video noise filters which soften the picture too much IMO).
 
My Dad bought a Sony Bravia W-series recently (LCD, 102cm).

After watching it a while and being duly impressed I came home to my Thomson 82cm CRT and thought that the colour and motion was so much better on mine.........

The added advantage is that it is far too heavy and bulky to steal.
 
LCD or Plasma? Neither. Both are still completely inferior to high-end CRT displays. The color accuracy and black depth are incomparable, and CRT geometry issues can be overcome with clever engineering. I would bet money on my Sony XBR 36" cleaning any flat panel television's clock. Of course, it weighs 250 pounds, but how often do you move your television?
 
Not sure what P Rex is smoking, but to each his own.

Don't hate either. Love both. Don't shop LCD vs Plasma, shop for the best picture for the price. The set also has to look good. 720P is more than adequate, agree you can't see the difference unless you're far closer to the TV than you'd ever watch it from. It'll be a long time before you get more than a few channels in 1080P. Don't get the fascination with blacks, last time I checked we're watching colors, not black/ white. When someone waxes on the importance of blacks, I advise 'em to get a 35 year old black and white set. :^)

Have a Panny 42" 720P Plasma that is wonderful, seriously considering either a Panny 50" or a Sony 1080P LCD 46" (available locally for $1800, no not the XBR) for the basement.

Cheers.
 
1. They are too expensive for something that is still inferior to a CRT. and with unknown reliability. When today's prices are cut in half, I might consider.

2. They are fatiguing to watch since blurring during motion is a problem. Now I will admit that my only experience with these TV's is in restaurants and bars where they aren't likely set up properly.

3. The importance of blacks? A set that can't produce true black isn't going to produce any of the other colours accurately either. (except maybe white)

I have a feeling that the fascination with these TV's has nothing to do with picture quality but more "Bill down the street has one, I have to have one too."
 
the only problem with my pioneer pdp507-cmx 50 in. plasma set is which concert dvd or movie i am going to watch next .
 
willyrover said:
1. They are too expensive for something that is still inferior to a CRT. and with unknown reliability. When today's prices are cut in half, I might consider.

2. They are fatiguing to watch since blurring during motion is a problem. Now I will admit that my only experience with these TV's is in restaurants and bars where they aren't likely set up properly.

3. The importance of blacks? A set that can't produce true black isn't going to produce any of the other colours accurately either. (except maybe white)

I have a feeling that the fascination with these TV's has nothing to do with picture quality but more "Bill down the street has one, I have to have one too."
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1. Too expensive? Compared to what? CRT HDTVs weren't exactly cheap when they were prime time.

Unknown reliability? You must have missed my post about the screen life. Time to 1/2 brightness is rated at least 2x longer than a CRT. Also, it's not like these sets came out just 6 months ago. I believe plasma tv has been out for at least 10 years in the consumer market.

2. Don't see any motion blur on mine.

3. Blacks are handled just fine on my set.

As far as keepin' up with the Jones, that may be it for some people. But, some people have embraced lcd/plasma big screen HDTV because they like a big screen and HD big screen looks very good. If your needs are only a (relatively) small TV, then that technology probably DOESN'T add much value in your case.

Sure, my old Hitachi 36" looked better on SD channels than my plasma does. What does one expect when such few pixels of resolution are spread over a much larger screen? It's not gonna look as clear. Don't blame the TV, blame the shitty low res SD programming.

It sounds like you SHOULD visit someplace that has a good HD big screen setup. Bars and most stores (unless it's a high-end showroom-type setup) aren't the place to see a plasma or lcd big screen TV at it's finest. If all I ever did was see the crappy feed, "torch mode" settings at Best Buy, I wouldn't have bought one either. :thmbsp:
 
butch4695 said:
the only problem with my pioneer pdp507-cmx 50 in. plasma set is which concert dvd or movie i am going to watch next .
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+1

:thmbsp::thmbsp::thmbsp:

The HD concert stuff is great. The depth of the image, clarity, etc. people just say "WOW...." and watch....and watch.... I love it!!!
 
RadShak1251 said:
Healthy for who, CEOs and their shareholders? What about us, the consumers?
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Actually it has helped consumers. Prices of players has gone down dramatically, and discs now go on sale quite regularly. In the mean time, quality has gone up on the picture and sound as well. None of which would have happened so quickly if there wasn't the competition.
Many of us can barely afford braces for our kids, make payments on 5 year old cars and can't afford health insurance so we pray no one gets sick.
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Then they shouldn't be buying an HDTV , but if they have one, they can wait for players to go on sale and rent the movies.


When those Sony SXRD sets arrived locally back in 2005, I took my Attack Of The Clones disc up there and after we calibrated the 60" SXRD model, via a $150 dvd player/component connection that standard def picture looked just great....and that was standing six feet away from it! No scan lines, no video jaggies, beautiful color. And when I later bought the Superbit version of The Fifth Element, and watched it on that TV and other large HDTVs of various technologies, if you weren't paying attention it looked nearly like HD
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I have a 60" SXRD. I also have the Fifth Element superbit. It looks very good, probably the best of my SD DVDs. That said, it would only look like HD, if you never saw good HD before. The BD version (remastered) simply blows it away.
I own both HD DVD and BD, and the truth is, that nothing else equals them in quality (though they equal each other).

AS for CRTs, they are too size limited to be practical any more.
Jack
 
man oh man have I opened a can of worms here... I mostly agree with Jack G though, (stupid broken comma on this loaner laptop!) that SD VS HD has no real comparison. I don't think anyone would argue that tripling the bit rate on an MP3 would make it sound better, since your essentially tripling the pixels. (whether you like MP3 or not)

I think we are also missing something critical. Not all of us HAVE ROOM for a large CRT tv. I am getting a 32" LCD for my room and it fits quite nicely. I can't even fit a 19" crt... and tell me the last time you saw a 19" HD CRT, or even a NICE 19" crt. Not everybody wants a big tv but If i want one at all I have to go flat.
 
The happiest day of my life might have been unloading my monster 37" Pioneer CRT tube TV to an unsuspecting neighbour for $500. It took 2 of us to literally drag that thing over to her house and have it dominate 1/4 of her livingroom. Hung a 42" LG Plasma on the wall, gained a whole bunch of floor space AND my kids can't put their grubby fingers all over my TV. Picture quality is fantastic especially in HD. My audio rig fits right underneath it too.

I love the old codgers who cling to old technology like stink on a skunk. Don't let me stop you from buying a 27" CRT from WalMart for $150 but don't claim some sort of moral superiority for doing so. It's the consumer who drives the market and not the other way around. If people were clamoring for 250lb CRT's companies would gladly keep churning them out.

Mike
 
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