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Why does does hip-hop get such a bad rap?

Its tricky to rock a rhyme, to rock a rhyme, thats right on time, its tricky.

Run DMC is awesome.
"I'm the king of rock, there is none higher, sucka MC's should call me sire."

Nuff said.
 
A little bit of understanding.

First. As a Hip-hop artist myself, as well as a Jazz/Funk drummer for going on 20 years, I take offence to anyone who says that this highly mis-understood culture's music is somehow not music, due to the means by which it is created. You think the software used to create and the time and sweat and blood it takes to track down rare Jazz or Funk records or whatever I might choose to sample happens autonomously? You have to understand and live within this culture of Hip-hop to truly appreciate it's worth. There is definitely a negative aspect to the music right now that is mainly being propagated by major-label suits cashing in on something they have packaged as "rap music", but has as much to with Hip-hop as say a Britney Spears has to do with Rock n' Roll. Anything you see on TV or hear on the radio is not the real deal. Real hip-hop music speaks to the soul from a street-level perspective, with no candy coating for easy swallowing. It can be harsh because the life some of these artists have led is harsh, myself being one of them. We call it like we see it. You think I'm gonna do-re-mi a little ditty about how my brother sold drugs and is now hooked on them? Hell no. I am going to make a heavy beat with sub-bass and an obscure jazz sample to make you sit up and take notice to what I have to get off my chest. At any rate, please never speak about a subject unless you have complete insight to the real soul of the matter, because that ignorance is not tolerable in any respect. Blanket prejudice of an entire culture is exactly what is wrong with most of this planet already. Enough is enough. Peace.

www.myspace.com/darkpeed
 
Darkspeed said:
First. As a Hip-hop artist myself, as well as a Jazz/Funk drummer for going on 20 years, I take offence to anyone who says that this highly mis-understood culture's music is somehow not music, due to the means by which it is created. You think the software used to create and the time and sweat and blood it takes to track down rare Jazz or Funk records or whatever I might choose to sample happens autonomously? You have to understand and live within this culture of Hip-hop to truly appreciate it's worth. There is definitely a negative aspect to the music right now that is mainly being propagated by major-label suits cashing in on something they have packaged as "rap music", but has as much to with Hip-hop as say a Britney Spears has to do with Rock n' Roll. Anything you see on TV or hear on the radio is not the real deal. Real hip-hop music speaks to the soul from a street-level perspective, with no candy coating for easy swallowing. It can be harsh because the life some of these artists have led is harsh, myself being one of them. We call it like we see it. You think I'm gonna do-re-mi a little ditty about how my brother sold drugs and is now hooked on them? Hell no. I am going to make a heavy beat with sub-bass and an obscure jazz sample to make you sit up and take notice to what I have to get off my chest. At any rate, please never speak about a subject unless you have complete insight to the real soul of the matter, because that ignorance is not tolerable in any respect. Blanket prejudice of an entire culture is exactly what is wrong with most of this planet already. Enough is enough. Peace.

www.myspace.com/darkpeed
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Your myspace page blew me away! What is that tune? And Herbie Hancock, Steve Gadd, etal, now that is an impressive list of friends.

I give. You win. If you give hip hop credence as real music I cannot argue any further. You've made your point very convincingly and I bow to your knowledge and experience.

I'd still rather listen to Herbie Hancock and Steve Gadd. If one of them has some hip hop on their album I'll take it.

Thanks for the eye-opener. :thmbsp:

Rick
 
Darkspeed,

While I agree with most of what you say, I couldn't possibly disagree more with your premise that you shouldn't speak about things you are ignorant about. Discussing these issues is an important method of learning if you want to make progress as an individual and as a society. In one important area, I completely agree with you in terms of voicing an ignorant viewpoint. I have no problem with someone hating the genre of music, I can't listen to a few genres myself. I do have a problem with people dismissing it as something other than art because it doesn't conform to their individual beliefs of what art is. In other words, when merrylander and others say they don't like it, I'm perfectly ok with that. When a few say "It's not music", that's where I have a problem.

If I followed your rules, I could never speak about any type of music and neither could just about any musician, for that matter. None of us have complete insight into anything.
 
dnewma04 said:
Darkspeed,

While I agree with most of what you say, I couldn't possibly disagree more with your premise that you shouldn't speak about things you are ignorant about. Discussing these issues is an important method of learning if you want to make progress as an individual and as a society. In one important area, I completely agree with you in terms of voicing an ignorant viewpoint. I have no problem with someone hating the genre of music, I can't listen to a few genres myself. I do have a problem with people dismissing it as something other than art because it doesn't conform to their individual beliefs of what art is. In other words, when merrylander and others say they don't like it, I'm perfectly ok with that. When a few say "It's not music", that's where I have a problem.

If I followed your rules, I could never speak about any type of music and neither could just about any musician, for that matter. None of us have complete insight into anything.
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I think he meant the background or culture behind the meaning of the music. Not just talking about music you have never heard or not know how it is made.
 
Why does hip hop get a lot of bad rap? Cause of all that bad rap music.
:lmao:
That seems to be one of those genres that people either really hate or really like. I have heard some good rap lately and am not polarized on hip hop. I really like some of the back beats, bass and electronics in it.
 
dnewma04 said:
In that case, nevermind me.
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It's cool to voice an opinion in threads like these. That's how we can learn from each other. Not everybody might share the same opinion about different genres of music but we do all agree that the AudioKarma family loves music! :music::thmbsp:
 
Well this sure the hell is not the place to tell you guys I like to listen to rap from the timeframe of 1988-1994'ish, but what the hell. I like PE, EPMD, Eric B. and Rakim, De la Soul, KRS-one, Das FX, a little Ice-T, a little Ice-Cube, even knew all the lyrics to the first NWA album way-back when. What, Run DMC? Beastie Boys? LL Cool J? ****, I've even got the Sugarhill Gang w/Rapper's Paradise on LP from, what, 1979? "My Posse's on Broadway" by Sir-Mix-alot in 198... what? Love it.

But now 83% of you have some lower opinion of me; and I don't care. I still have Blue Oyster Cult, MotherLoveBone, Soundgarden, Temple of the Dog, Audioslave, Chris Cornell (see that trend?), Metallica, Bush, Cake, STP, Spinout, Led Zepp, Green Jello, SOAD, Gorillaz, Tom Petty, .... it's endless. But no country for me. I don't like it; and I hope you enjoy everything YOU listen to as much as I do.

For being an AWESOME group of people here; there are many minds that are closed, and cannot ( and will not) be talked out of their ideals. Or their stands on "what is music". I ain't preachin'; and I'm not trying to kill this thread. It's just been almost a couple of years here now NEVER admitting I like some rap because I know the general mind-set. Not trying to change your opinion or anything. Just waay to much negative karma on that particular topic.

Done.
Promise.


Matt
 
Last call: I don't like rap, hip hop or whatever you want to call it. It's a million miles from where I come from, who I am, and what I know. I don't care how they make it. It is very annoying to me. To me, it's garbage.

But, that's just me. Capisce?
 
JesusChrysler said:
Well this sure the hell is not the place to tell you guys I like to listen to rap from the timeframe of 1988-1994'ish, but what the hell.
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I have no problem with you admitting that you like you some thug rap. I remember some of that stuff being played in a kitchen i cooked in back in the early 90's: NWA, EZ-E, Early DR Dre and that newcomer Snoop Dogg. Not much of it sticks for me, except I do think Dr Dre's Chronic 2001 is a high quality work of musical art, albeit profoundly offensive, but i can accept it without feeling like I have to defend it.

JesusChrysler said:
waay to much negative karma on that particular topic.
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I have to say this thread has gone a ways toward lessening that. It's been a good discussion, one that is still holding quality and integrity 135 posts later. (give or take a dozen posts or so)
 
JesusChrysler said:
Well this sure the hell is not the place to tell you guys I like to listen to rap from the timeframe of 1988-1994'ish, but what the hell. I like PE, EPMD, Eric B. and Rakim, De la Soul, KRS-one, Das FX, a little Ice-T, a little Ice-Cube, even knew all the lyrics to the first NWA album way-back when. What, Run DMC? Beastie Boys? LL Cool J? ****, I've even got the Sugarhill Gang w/Rapper's Paradise on LP from, what, 1979? "My Posse's on Broadway" by Sir-Mix-alot in 198... what? Love it.

But now 83% of you have some lower opinion of me; and I don't care. I still have Blue Oyster Cult, MotherLoveBone, Soundgarden, Temple of the Dog, Audioslave, Chris Cornell (see that trend?), Metallica, Bush, Cake, STP, Spinout, Led Zepp, Green Jello, SOAD, Gorillaz, Tom Petty, .... it's endless. But no country for me. I don't like it; and I hope you enjoy everything YOU listen to as much as I do.

For being an AWESOME group of people here; there are many minds that are closed, and cannot ( and will not) be talked out of their ideals. Or their stands on "what is music". I ain't preachin'; and I'm not trying to kill this thread. It's just been almost a couple of years here now NEVER admitting I like some rap because I know the general mind-set. Not trying to change your opinion or anything. Just waay to much negative karma on that particular topic.

Done.
Promise.


Matt
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Dude, your cool in my book. I too listen to almost all types of music and understand that some people might be closed minded, but yet others might just have personal preferences. I'm not trying to shove any music down anybody's ears, just give them examples to listen to and if they like it - cool - if they don't - cool too.
The older I get I actually find myself listening to things I used to say I would never listen to when I was a teenager - bluegrass is one of them. I love the stuff now. I understand that some people might be set in their ways and enjoy the type of music they grew up on.
I like threads where people list artists/bands they listen to; it gives me a chance to maybe try something I've never heard or thought of before.
 
outshined said:
Last call: I don't like rap, hip hop or whatever you want to call it. It's a million miles from where I come from, who I am, and what I know. I don't care how they make it. It is very annoying to me. To me, it's garbage.

But, that's just me. Capisce?
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It's all good. One man's garbage is another man's treasure. I've been waiting awhile to use that one. lol :D
 
Outshined: I think we got that the last 5 times you posted in this thread.

Brett a: I don't quite understand why you picked out the "thug rap" in my post; it was in the minority of the bands I listed. And, bless your soul; I think nothing has been lessened here in the support of rap music. The haters still hate. You cannot change this. Deal with it. Do not let it bother you.

Zeromancer: thanks.

Matt
 
Read this and then you might understand.................................



Check it hoe shut your mouth and get naked
I'm connected plus I'm makin' hit records
So, if you wanna win hop in and take a spin
That's W.C. and Mack 10
What's your name girlfriend
You can have some fun wit us lay in the sun wit us
Pack a gun wit us and make a run wit us
To these illegal amigos who wanna buy bald eagles
Out my regals we shoppin' at Spiegels
So what you wanna do
Decision, decisions
And what you think about dick and pussy collisions
You're a irrisistable bitch and all that
Me I'm rich as **** plus I smell like yack so come on

[Chorus, Repeat 2X:]

Irristable bitch let's go
Where we goin'
Westward ho

[Mack 10:]

A nigga gots to get chose it's a house full of hoes
I suppose at least one of those want
Mister flossy with the kilos
You know it's quick fast **** it's all about the cash
Pauveted Rolex' and Benz' in the S class
Don't get it twisted nigga you know the word
Cube got the herb and I don't **** with nothin' less than a bird
I make yo whole crew scatter what ya say don't matter
Cause nigga you's a punk so tell yo bitch I need to holler at her
I take fo shows hop in my Benzo
I stomp my Chuck to the flo as I head Westward with yo ho
It's Mack 1-0 so **** what she say
I put it down the G way
I'm gettin' head on the freeway.

[Chorus]

[W.C.]

Hoe you need some dick in yo life dick in yo life
Like Jodeci I'm fienning to **** you 'til your bleeding
You need to be rolling
With this cap peela, **** that sucka for love lolly pop toe
Lickin' ass nigga
See you say you want a real G so why don't you
Play like Jayo Felony and bitch take a ride with me because I can
Use a ho like you a bitch down to blast
And help me twist this
Mutha ****ing plastic because you're a true bitch from the westside
About five-ten, two-twenty with scars on your thighs
And that's they type of hoe I want down with me
So bitch get your ass in and let's rob the whole city

[Ice Cube:]

Did I mention I think about you when I'm benchin'
And running my trigger finger all through your extensions
It's intense dreamin' of a black picket fence
His and her nine's teach you how to rhyme on the mic
You Tina I'm Ike
Know you ain't a dike cause you seem to like
The way I lay pipe
Keep it tight let's put this mattress to the test
Yes, I must confess, I got some prior arrest
Fa show ya know we're goin' westward hoe
Can you handle
Half a chicken in the door panel
We at the mo' with a four-O and a joint
We got high, ****ed around
And missed the drop off point

[Chorus]

[Mack 10:]

I put it down all around Westbound is where I'm headed
Since I keep my heat leaded if you trip you get wetted
We be huffing like hogs nigga who can see my crew
No better yet me and you nigga what you wanna do, fool
Cause all I do is wreck from the hip I teck
And when I come from the shoulders I straight Westside Connect
I got chickens by the flock I got the block on lock
Around the clock I sell rock so ain't a bitch I can't knock
So handcuff your trick if she's a good lookin' ho
Cause dog I run with niggas that the Fed's is lookin' fo'
They wanna get us because our pockets is the fattest
And bitches be jockin' us because we got the baller status

[W.C.]

I want a janky bitch, a janky bitch,
A bitch straight down
Penitentiary bound
With the qualifications of a hoe like you
C-sections tattoos stretch marks and bullet wounds
A rough bitch in a beanie the type of bitch that's down to do
A drive by on my enemies
Like Mary J. you're all I need
When I'm in jail the kind of hoe that's down to keester me weed
Fantasies of you and me I keep
Having 'em at the park smoking on a hump sharing a tall can of Magnum
****ing in the back of the coup let's get it cracking
So pass the stick and tell me hoe what's happening

[Chorus]

This West Coast gangsta' **** got it crackin'
We all mackin' so baby how you actin'
This West Coast gangsta' **** got it crackin'
We all mackin' so baby how you actin'

[Chorus]
 
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