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Why "thinner sound" from Yamaha is better than "bigger warm sound" from other brands

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dadix

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Well I give you a short , very logically, and testable explanation.

A video clip has 2 big parameters for video quality:
1 is resolution ( HD, Full HD)
2 bitrate (Mbps)

A lower resolution with a higher bitrate can have a better video quality than a higher resolution with a lower bitrate.
Is the same with audio I think.

This may be the cause for Yamaha speakers with 12" woofers to compensate and give us the perfection of sound. :)

Another big plus is the Natural Sound. This neutral sound others sey is a clinical , metallic but there is also an explanation for this. What we hear at the radio and CD,s , streaming services ,mp3, is a very compressed sound (see loudness war on youtube) with little dynamics (this is the metallic sound, clinic) (Also metallic sound result it may be because of faulty components on that amp, receiver) .So the Yamaha Natural Sound amplification what will be from those crappy compreses source material?

Another question is what speakers, or headset, headphone will buy if the amp, receiver has warm sound. Because warm amp + warm speakers, I don't know if is a good combination. (result is a dark sound?)

Conclusion: Natural Sound don't alter the sound, if we play good source of material the results will be brilliant, dynamic, smooth, detailed, distortion free, noise free, warm sound ( yes warm sound , this must depending by recording how was done by sound engineers not at result of amplification)
Oh, almost I forgot... Variable Loudness Control... I cannot imagine an amp or receiver without this. (One button on/off switch for loudness ... what's that? ) :)
 
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Welcome to AK dadix! You have an interesting, albeit, difficult to follow theory. Where are you from?:D
If I understand what you are saying, it is that Yamaha lets you hear the music exactly as it was recorded, and therefore, a warm recording will sound warm and a clinical recording will sound clinical through Yamaha gear?
If so, I 'd tend to agree with you.
Keep posting, it's nice to see young audio enthusiasts out there.:thumbsup:
 
One of my buddies ran a Rogue kt120 power amp into JBL L112's for a long time with a revolving door of front end electronics. Out of all of the quality preamps and integrated's I've heard in his room (including Rogue, Classe, Sansui, and a few others), the Yamaha sounded far and beyond the most delicate. Because of a blown output stage, he had this CR model running as just a tuner preamp. In all of the speakers he had on hand, it still sounded delicate and thin. If this is somebody's preference then more power to them; but I would hesitate to say that it was the most natural sounding or even transparent preamp there.
 
If we like the sound quality of our audio system in Mono mode , and we can do listening in that mode than is it a good system sound. On my Yamaha I can do that . :music:. ( This is a big test for me when I review audio gear)
 
My take is that "Natural Sound" is a marketing thing and pretty much meaningless. It just happens that Yamaha gear, at least the older stuff I'm familiar with, is well designed, having low distortion, decent bandwidth and flat response. It sounds clean because it is clean. That's the only kind of electronics I want. Any other sound qualities like so-called "warmth", are best achieved with good choice of speakers, room treatments and (gasp!) the use of tone controls or even equalizers.
 
Any thoughts on the Sansui "warm sound" post processed through a quad matrix using dbx expansion and sub synthesis, as well as Carver Holography and DSP equalization, all fed into a Hafler effect eight speaker array? <G>

(And ya, your English is better than that of a lot of us "natives".)
 
sKiZo said:
Any thoughts on the Sansui "warm sound" post processed through a quad matrix using dbx expansion and sub synthesis, as well as Carver Holography and DSP equalization, all fed into a Hafler effect eight speaker array? <G>

(And ya, your English is better than that of a lot of us "natives".)
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You can never have too much processing. Ask Santa.
 
Your English is fine.
When referring to Yamaha as having thinner sound or clinical sound, for that matter...not sure what you mean by that. I am also not sure that one can generalize Yamaha sound this way. What Yamaha amplifiers r u referring to?
It is my understanding that clinical is referred to as revealing, unforgiving. That also means that, if what you feed into it is good, then it will sound good and vice versa.
I also would not categorize Yamaha sound as being neither thin or dry. The v-fets amps sound quite warm.
What do you mean by listening to mono. I am sure that it would sound acceptable, but if I have a stereo amp, I rather listen in stereo mode.
 
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I see Avionic is here in proud support of the Yamaha sound.

Good thing this is in the den of the Yamaha enthusiast as if posted in the main forum it might find some seriously loud dissenting opinions.
 
First, welcome to AK!

Second, amazing that you've taught yourself English. For us native speakers, sometimes we forget just how difficult and vast a language that it is.

Third, Yamaha "Natural Sound" is something I've owned, appreciated, and yet, tend to shy away from. Tinnitus makes choosing gear a challenge for me. Amazing gear, tho.
 
I call Yamaha's sound effortless. I can listen to my A S501 all day. There's simply nothing offensive about its sound. And it doesn't really matter what speakers I hook up to it. Just pleasant noises.
 
@rottalpha I have receiver Cr 820. I saw on this forum some users describe Yamaha Natural sound thinner, metallic.
Well, about listening to Mono, I can say I have a receiver Sansui R-5, but I can't listen music from tuner or other sources with the same pleasure in Mono mode . Wen I switch to my Yamaha I enjoy to listen music even in Mono (I prefer Stereo).
 
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So many audio folks think that improvements in their system will be the answer to all their audio goodness problems.
It may be the type of music and the associate recordings may be one factor in lowering the quality of their audio. Just like a poorly focused photo is poorly focused no matter what is used to view it. Same is true for audio stuff.
I find it imperative to be able to judge my system sound to play all sorts of LP's. Including rock, jazz, and other genres.
I am average and expect my system to sound "good" no matter what I play.
My main amps setup is all Yamaha but I never knew it sounds any different than other brands. It does. My computer audio is Marantz with AR. It always sounds good.
My TV audio is Onkyo with JBL that sometimes has challenges. Not bad challenges, just small challenges. Over the years of listening I have learned to compensate for any sound and also learned to judge any sound system in a very short time.
I think real listening is an acquired trait. It may take years to achieve but it will come.
 
ConradH said:
My take is that "Natural Sound" is a marketing thing and pretty much meaningless. It just happens that Yamaha gear, at least the older stuff I'm familiar with, is well designed, having low distortion, decent bandwidth and flat response. It sounds clean because it is clean. That's the only kind of electronics I want. Any other sound qualities like so-called "warmth", are best achieved with good choice of speakers, room treatments and (gasp!) the use of tone controls or even equalizers.
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Agreed. One thing Yamaha taught me was keep everything at "zero" and enjoy the results.

The clean results though have shown shortfalls in other components hooked up to it and bad recordings. A recent foray into the world of vinyl showed some serious shortcomings with a mid level turntable with a so-so cartridge and stylus. It really did sound "thin" and reedy compared to CD and SACD, a table upgrade and big upgrade in cart/stylus really gave it that "oomph".
 
Johnno_Oz said:
Agreed. One thing Yamaha taught me was keep everything at "zero" and enjoy the results.

The clean results though have shown shortfalls in other components hooked up to it and bad recordings. A recent foray into the world of vinyl showed some serious shortcomings with a mid level turntable with a so-so cartridge and stylus. It really did sound "thin" and reedy compared to CD and SACD, a table upgrade and big upgrade in cart/stylus really gave it that "oomph".
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Sometimes the sources are to blame. I used a CR 1020 for c. 25 yrs & have been using the pwr amp section of a CR 3020 for 3 yrs. However, "Natural Sound" means nothing to me.
 
dadix said:
@rottalpha I have receiver Cr 820. I saw on this forum some users describe Yamaha Natural sound thinner, metallic.
Well, about listening to Mono, I can say I have a receiver Sansui R-5, but I can't listen music from tuner or other sources with the same pleasure in Mono mode . Wen I switch to my Yamaha I enjoy to listen music even in Mono (I prefer Stereo).
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I am surprised of the following Yamaha has in Romania, considering that it was never officially imported there.
I guess good value is universally recognized :-)
 
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