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Apparently, Gen Z are quitting music to get space away from their devices. Oldheads, this is an opportunity to teach them about vinyls and monkey coffins.
Why young people are quitting music
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Some, not all. Lot of not auto tuned music out there. I think it's more the amount of "distractions" out there. Social media, streaming video/movies/TV and music etc. The idea of a "digital detox" is something that is popular among a lot if the younger people I spend time with.
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I was listening to Arcadia, the new album from Alison Krauss and Union Station yesterday and Emma pointed out the autotuning on Hangman and another song ...
Sad, just sad - Alison doesn't need Autotuning, any more than Willie Nelson did on the Countryman album.
Certainly makes me less inclined to buy a copy if its been frelled like that!
It’s probably a healthy idea. The isolation engendered by digital addiction isn’t good for anyone.
The problem with that practice as regards music is that earbuds appear to be the generally accepted standard among many young people for music delivery, which of course is isolating of itself. There’s little or no experience of listening to music as a shared activity, so music becomes a casualty of a healthy idea. Ironic, isn’t it?
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dogscanskate
Super Member
The music industry has changed since the arrival of AI. Think about it: AI can write music, prose and actually do the vocals and lotsa studio stuff. The big corp gets to keep all the money, 100% of it, they own the music, the words, publishing rights and get all the royalties. Why would they be interested in young artists when they have all the resources to to keep every penny that the product earns. It is the new Muzak with a huge potential because they may not have rivals.
From what I've been reading up on, Autotune is used strictly for "live shows" while "Pitch correction" is used in studio production (including TV, movies...). Pitch correction is a standard used by all studios nowadays (https://www.celemony.com/en/melodyne/what-can-melodyne-do). Your new MOFI records may be pitch corrected. Ask guys like Rick Beato and Fil from Wings of Pegasus on YouTube.
It's not the kids who are to blame. There are marvelous young talents out there but will they be given a chance to succeed or will we be force fed AI music from now on?
From what I've been reading up on, Autotune is used strictly for "live shows" while "Pitch correction" is used in studio production (including TV, movies...). Pitch correction is a standard used by all studios nowadays (https://www.celemony.com/en/melodyne/what-can-melodyne-do). Your new MOFI records may be pitch corrected. Ask guys like Rick Beato and Fil from Wings of Pegasus on YouTube.
It's not the kids who are to blame. There are marvelous young talents out there but will they be given a chance to succeed or will we be force fed AI music from now on?
WillVT
Super Member
Really? I find the opposite to be the case. I find there is so much great music being made today, I sometimes can't keep track of it all. Perhaps specific genres may be stagnating, but creativity keeps rolling.
A percentage of music from any time period is always sub-par. It's just that since there is so much being recorded these days, there is also more crap.
Also, as listeners, we need to be willing to be challenged. It's like any art form. It evolves. For me, a true artist is someone who creates something that has never been done before. Everything else is craft. (which of course can also be great)
DeadRock
Ideas Guy
False...it's being downloaded and selling like hotcakes.
Mega false...
baked_potato
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The ramifications are certainly alarming, however I strongly doubt that AI-generated music will ever get a stronghold in popular culture.
Young people get into new music because the artists express a shared experience with them. Artists are people to look up to, to emulate. They represent the zeitgeist and act as a social anchor to people's peers. Young people feel seen, recognized, and understood by musicians. Musical tastes are an simultaneously an expression of ones individuality and membership within a group, and are an act of rebellion to other generations or groups, whether overtly or subtly. And then I haven't even mentioned the live shows and appearances on other forms of media.
Sure, AI can make music. But the actual music is just a small part of the equation. In many instances I'd even say it's secondary to all of the above.
justin_r_23
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Right. "Isn't appealing" necessarily should be followed by "to me."
I've found that I generally don't like Country Music as it has been produced since the 1990s, and probably even before then, discounting Johnny Cash, Steve Earle, and some others; or, as a friend put it, sometime in the late 80s and early 90s, Nashville flirted with actually producing art - k.d. lang, Lyle Lovett - but then "I've Got Friends in Low Places" came out and it was all over. Put me in front of singer-songwriters performing live and it's great.
Also, a good song is a good song regardless of the instruments.
This is coming from someone whose music/dopamine fix is supplied by music like:
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In addition: something I've learned listening to the podcast "Switched on Pop!" is that modern pop music is often gloriously weird in ways you might not know if you don't listen to it. And it's made by people who know what they're doing and are at least as educated about music as you are and have their own oddball obsessions.
That said, the homogenization of music generally caused by the consolidation of the Broadcast industry is a known problem.
I've found that I generally don't like Country Music as it has been produced since the 1990s, and probably even before then, discounting Johnny Cash, Steve Earle, and some others; or, as a friend put it, sometime in the late 80s and early 90s, Nashville flirted with actually producing art - k.d. lang, Lyle Lovett - but then "I've Got Friends in Low Places" came out and it was all over. Put me in front of singer-songwriters performing live and it's great.
Also, a good song is a good song regardless of the instruments.
This is coming from someone whose music/dopamine fix is supplied by music like:
and
In addition: something I've learned listening to the podcast "Switched on Pop!" is that modern pop music is often gloriously weird in ways you might not know if you don't listen to it. And it's made by people who know what they're doing and are at least as educated about music as you are and have their own oddball obsessions.
That said, the homogenization of music generally caused by the consolidation of the Broadcast industry is a known problem.
jayvis
Addicted Member
What did you hear that made you think it was autotuned? Hard to believe that any of the AKUS musicians would need or want it.
malden
Lunatic Member
Most of the music we enjoy has been "processed". Recording engineers, producers, etc. all put their mark on a recording. That's not necessarily a bad thing unless it becomes formulaic like the "hair bands" of the 1980's or so called "country" of the 1990's.
I listen to college radio regularly and hear a lot of great new artists that don't get "produced" but they also don't get heard by the general public. I doubt young people are "quitting " music, they may just be bored with the stuff that is readily available
I listen to college radio regularly and hear a lot of great new artists that don't get "produced" but they also don't get heard by the general public. I doubt young people are "quitting " music, they may just be bored with the stuff that is readily available
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The big issue isn't that there's no good music.
The industry has gone back to payola for new
music. Add to it corporate radio that has the
50 song classic rock rotation. There are some
Streaming radio stations out there that play
Great music and have a wide selection of songs
And artists. Fm is now dead to me.
The industry has gone back to payola for new
music. Add to it corporate radio that has the
50 song classic rock rotation. There are some
Streaming radio stations out there that play
Great music and have a wide selection of songs
And artists. Fm is now dead to me.
I very much doubt if 'quitting music' is the generic case or trend.
The way the person in the article interacted with music doesn't come across to me as a typical case.
But whilst the case isn't (imho) typical, the bottom line that the article mentions very much rings true:
"There is a growing desire among Gen Z to reclaim their autonomy from their phones and remove themselves from a passive state of being".
Whenever a young person can be supported in their pursuit of this, they should be.
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