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Yamaha cdx?

As I remember, the X80, X90 and X93 series were all quite the same.
Some differences in the DACs and some have coax, some have optical, some both, but all I saw from inside had Sony pickups. And they all have more or less good 1-bit DACs. The 20 bit is related to the digital filters and/or digital volume control.

As I know the X93 series is even identical to the X90 series, they only made a facelift.

Another very nice feature: Some, like the medium models CDX-580 and CDX-590 have a digital volume control, which also downscales the volume on the digital outputs, using at least 20 (perhaps even 24) bit precision !!!! So, if you connect an external 24-Bit DAC you don´t need a preamplifier for volume control behind the DAC.

Funny: The bigger models of these series had motorized analog volume control, which had no influence on the digital output ...
 
The X80 and X90 series was only made up to 8XX level, the X93 up to 9XX level.

If it was a face lift, that might explain why the 993 is not in the 1XXX numbers. As I know it, the 993 is the only 10kg (9,6kg) Yamaha that is not a 1XXX model. That has always puzzled me.

About the DAC; the models 580; 590; 593; 880, 890 all has the YAC514, the 993 has the YAC 514F, the last letter is supposed to mean quite a bit regarding the sound quality. But I don't have the data sheet of the DAC’s

As a small note the CDX-880 and 890 are 4kg and 5,9kg, it might be the DAC’s are closely related to the 993, the rest is not.
 
Could it be possible, that they downgraded some of them from one revision to the the other ?
So a CDX-1080 could have be changed into a CDX-890 ? I´m not sure ...

The difference in weight might be only a nice added metal plate below the drive :)
 
Yes but read on, they are build differently. All the 1XXX models are 10kg + monsters. The way they do the models seems to be developing a top model and then make 2 cheaper versions of that model using the same DAC. But often they use different versions of the DAC, like I mentioned all the X93 models use YAC514 but the top model uses the YAC514F a revision of the DAC. Follow this link; you will see a clear pattern: http://www.freeweb.hu/mestertuning/dac.php?lang=en

That was only the DAC, as you know the DAC is only a small part of the sound. There are also the up amps, power supply and all that stuff.

The first thing that leaves the CD-P is the optical link, which will often be the main difference between an 8XX model and the next model. They properly also downgrade many of the more expensive components, you need to do a comparison of the SM's to know what they did but they do use the same PBC.

The 1XXX + models are special; there was no "low end" models made from these designs. The did as they usually do, 3 model per design CDX-1100, 900 and 700, they did that from 1988 - 1992 those was Yamahas thru high end years in CD-P's. But they had a problem they needed something for the "low end" market, so they did what you suggested took an older design, downgraded properly everything and sold it. That happened with the XX00, 10, 20 series; the biggest lineup Yamaha ever did 6 "new" models in every year. But then it stooped, the XX30 and XX50 series only had 4 models. The last 1XXX series (60, 1992) came in 5 models, covering from low to high end. That was the last of the big Yamahas, they changed there focus to multi channel setups I thought. In 1993 they released the X70 series (that might be a down grade of the XX60 series), then in 1994 came the X80, in 1996 the X90. Then in 1998 suddenly there was a new 10kg machine the CDX-993 (remember the last one was in 1992, 6 years!) And a full line of CD-P's from high to "low" end. I don't know what happened at Yamaha, but somebody must have been beating the drum quite a while to make a new high end player, they newer did one again. But a strange thing is that it was possible to buy new 993's all the way up to recently, I don't know when Yamaha officially stopped making them, what I do know is that I see people telling that they bought there new 993 in the shop in bought 2004 and 2005. There really is something strange about the design; I believe the current design (X97) still is the old 993 design.

The only reasonable reason for this must be that Yamaha thinks that the sound produced from a 44.1 kHz 16 bit source, does not get any better than the design made in 1998.

Yes Unda, there is more added metal inside the 993, but not as much as the 1060 :)

Note. The reason that I always write "low" end is that Yamaha always was best in class; they never made crappy CD-P's
 

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You seem to know the Yamaha CDP history on your five fingers...

Do you have anything particular to say about the CDX-930?

I have one of those too. It sounds well, has a metal tray (same as in the CDX-1060), feels quite well built and weighs only 5,8 kg.

Here is a peek inside:
 

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The CDX-930 is the little sister to the CDX-1030 (1990), I have it to weigh 5,7kg and it is the lightest of the 9XX models (the others are 6,5-9,6kg). The draw does indeed look like the one in the 1060, the rest looks a bit more like the 870 and 880 I only have one 9XX model, so it is hard to say about the others. It uses Yamahas S-bit DAC.

If it sounds a bit cheep that is not my intention, it was not. The price was about $630 (1000 DM incl. German 12% vat.).

Do you have the manual for it?

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I just looked it up in orion, they say $550, that fits excl. vat.

I also added 3 pics of the CDX-880 and 993 for comparison.
 

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Thanks for the info.

No, I don't have the manual for the CDX-930. Are you collecting them?

I looked inside once again and found that the circuit board is the same as for the 1030 like your description, but it seems like the 730 must have used another board...

Everything sounds cheap in comparison with the 1XXX-series...
But the metal tray makes this one feel a little bit in that direction.
Too bad that your 993-tray is made of plastic. The feeling of quality can't be the same, and that feeling counts...

I agree with your opinion that the 993-model seems to be a little bit strange to comply with the earlier strategy of Yamahas CDP-series. How is the sound from it?
 

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If you find one grab it! :)

Yes I am collecting Yamaha manuals, user and SM. If you have any scans or copies they are highly welcome here.

The 730 properly shares PBC with the 530 and might be a "total" different design.

A few numbers for you:
Frequency response: 2-20.000Hz
Dynamic range: > 98dB
S/N: 110dB
Harmonic distortion + noise: < 0,002%
 
the-real-mandak said:
The 730 properly shares PBC with the 530 and might be a "total" different design.

That is most probably true. I just noticed that the 730 and 530 share the same manual.

Regarding manuals, I guess that you have most of those I have if you are a collector.
 
Anders,

the second of your pictures clearly shows, that the CDX-880 and the 580 share the same board. Only the driver IC for the volume motor was left away.

As I have both, the 580 and the 590, I am sure both have the same board (only minor changes), so probably also the 890 is the same.
I was sure I also had a look into a 1080, which looked also quite similar, but after your descriptions I´m not sure anymore.

For my surprise, the 993 looks completely different. Even the drive seems to be a completely different design.
 
Unda, Yamaha never made a CDX-1080, the CDX-880 and 890 are the TOTL of there series.

Lust, the user manual thing is a new. I found that Yamahas own page missed a lot of manuals, I colleckt all the info I can get on Yamahas Hi-Fi so the user manuals thing is a part of this. You can PM me a list, then I can see if there are some I am missing.
 
I managed to find a cdx-993 here in sweden! It was not easy, I have only seen 2 up for sale ever, but this one was in perfect condition and the price was great (1300kr). I really can't belive how big of a diffrence a cd-player can make, it's just amazing!

However, even the sun have spots. The player seems to have problems with some copy-protected cds and even som burnt ones. And then we have the transport:thumbsdn:. It looks and feels worse then the player in my computer. But i guess the sound makes up for it :)
 
Good score and welcome to AK.

I don't have any problems with CD-R or copy protection on my unit, have you tried to clean the laser? (Dust and that kind of stuff).

What player did you use before?
Do you have the user manual?

For our non Scandinavian readers Sideshow paid $183 ~1300 SEK.

If any want to hunt a 993, Germany is the place to look. But expect to pay about 150-230 € plus shipping ($192-307).
 
I used a yamaha cdc-635 (changer for 5 cds).

The thing is that it only has problems with one of my copy protected cds (worse protection than newer ones?) and only some burnt ones. I playes the first 2 or 3 tracks fine put then it can't "track" anymore. Guess I will have to open it if it becomes a problem with more recent cds.

No manual but i got it of yamahas website anyway, it did have the remote though which is more important ;)
 
mine CDX-993 have some sort of strange problem reading CD's since new. i think it is more of a bug connected with error correction system than anything else. namely, it skips sometimes but only at say 1:30 minutes of track 2, no matter is it burned CD or original:scratch2: it never skips on anything else, just track 2 or beggining of track 3:scratch2: i heard some clicks inside while it's doing this, like he cannot jump over it.

i tried all kind of cleaning, but the problem still exist. but, it is happened sometimes, and most of the times it plays just fine, even CD's burned at 40x. it makes me sad more than angry because sound of this player is just excellent.
 
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I have the exact same "problem" with my player Tact. It only happens on track 2 and now when you mention it it happens around 1:30 min of the track. I guess this is a fault with the electronics then.
 
Sideshow said:
I have the exact same "problem"

I bought mine brand new, and like its sound so much than i get used to it. frankly, most of the times it plays fine, month or two without problems, and then started to skip, but it goes away after playing some other CD. after couple of hours i get back CD which skips and then it plays fine.

at first, i was thinking about laser, but laser is ok. it is i think something with error correction system, maybe shock from electricity or vibration, don't know, but i agree it is some kind of electronics bug.

but, its sound blows away anything i could get my hands on, so i'm ready to forgive this little quirks ( and reading about other CD players, some of them skips like hell, even newer ones). it is rare to find such weighty sound in CD players, with hefty bass. my older Marantz CD-65II sounded like cheapo walkman radio compared to Yamaha.

and i changed op amps in it with AD826, and changed IEC plug so i can change power cords now, and now it sounds even better.
 
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I did some more listening and wow, it is just rediculous how much better this player is than my old one. But it brought something else than just good sound, something I never experienced before, something verry important. It's hard to but into words. The feeling of the music is much nicer now, it's warm and you just feel good whenever you listen too that favorite cd. :)
 
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