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Zilch's AK Design Collaborative - Econowave Speaker

PE would be 137.00 each, it seems. Possibly better with a lot of participants.

At that point, I'd like to see about comparing a couple of alternatives in the 1" category from BMS, 18sound, Beyma, and a few others and see what offers the best bang for the buck.

I like this, E'wave is again branching out, same lesson and technology used with the Selenium to
impliment better drivers on the wave guide.:thmbsp: A natural progression in both the basic product as well as the "lesson" learned form e'wave.

Russellc
 
I like this, E'wave is again branching out, same lesson and technology used with the Selenium to
impliment better drivers on the wave guide.:thmbsp: A natural progression in both the basic product as well as the "lesson" learned form e'wave.

Russellc

What astonishes me is that at least 40 pairs have been built from the basic design. Who knows how many other builders used aspects of Ewave to influence their own projects? That's an outstanding impact for a group project.
Personally, I hope people are out there doing ewave conversions on Large Advents all over the place. Once you hear the difference, it's a no-brainer.
 
PE wholesale for the DE 250 and the thread adapter is $102.92 when bought in quantities over 4. They also give free shipping over $500.00.

If three or more people wish to get together an order, I would be willing to place it. I could then ship the parts out from Colorado. Shipping from CO would not be included in the $102.92. Shipping weight per driver is roughly 5 lbs. Shipping costs within the US should not run over $15.00.

Please let me know if anyone is interested.
 
PE wholesale for the DE 250 and the thread adapter is $102.92 when bought in quantities over 4. They also give free shipping over $500.00.

SMOKIN' DEAL. Is that for the metal Selenium thread adaptor, and not the plastic one? Too bad for me I already placed my order...

That's getting down to USED prices. Now if you can find a deal like that for Great Plains 399...
 
I don't think I would be able to use the B&C as it has a recommended
crossover at 1.6khz. My LE14A crossover is at 900hz.

I may have to step up to a larger compression driver:dunno:
 
PE # 264-323.....Selemium ADM25-25

is the adapter

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Here is the driver

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Specifications: *Power handling: 60 watts RMS/120 watts program above recommended crossover of 1.6 kHz/12dB slope *VCdia: 1.7" *Impedance: 8 ohms *Frequency response: 1,000-18,000 Hz *SPL: 108.5 dB 1W/1m *Dimensions: 4.7" diameter x 2.4" depth *Net weight: 4.6 lb. *Replacement diaphragm available
 
I don't think I would be able to use the B&C as it has a recommended
crossover at 1.6khz. My LE14A crossover is at 900hz.

I may have to step up to a larger compression driver:dunno:

It'll work fine, shoot the Selenium is crossed over at 3K electrically, works out to about 1.6 accoustically. Zilch has already posted an "untweeked" curve withit mated to LE14A. Its only the woofer section thats at 900. Tweeter section is at 3K.

russellc
 
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Has anyone done a listening comparison between the mini horn from JBL and the one from PE? I was planning my American Monitor Ewaves yesterday and realized the the round WG I have will not fit from the woof to the top of the cab, and the rectangular one is too wide. So I will use the mini.
"Waveguide," Dennis, "Waveguide." ;)

You have two JBLs to choose from: 8" square 90° x 50° dispersion, or 6" square 90° x 90°. The 8" is somewhat deeper, so you'll have to check your interior cabinet depth to see if it'll fit. I have worked out the HF compensation options for that one, which are a bit different than the standard EWG.

I like this, E'wave is again branching out, same lesson and technology used with the Selenium to impliment better drivers on the wave guide.:thmbsp: A natural progression in both the basic product as well as the "lesson" learned form e'wave.
E'Wave's always been about the technology, and this thread is unprecedented in participation, content, and reader interest documenting that.

We have served up an entry-level implementation here well within modest means and skills for anyone to build and enjoy, and it's only natural that some would also be interested in upgrade paths, which are many.

What astonishes me is that at least 40 pairs have been built from the basic design. Who knows how many other builders used aspects of Ewave to influence their own projects? That's an outstanding impact for a group project.
If the purchases of waveguides from JBL are any indication, the numbers are significant. We encourage everybody to post their project pics here so they can be "Official," as it were, but that doesn't always happen, of course.

Personally, I hope people are out there doing ewave conversions on Large Advents all over the place. Once you hear the difference, it's a no-brainer.
A slam-dunk step into the 21st Century. :yes:

I don't think I would be able to use the B&C as it has a recommended crossover at 1.6khz. My LE14A crossover is at 900hz.

I may have to step up to a larger compression driver:dunno:
The E'Wave highpass is ~3.5 kHz, actually; the nominal acoustic crossover being 1.6 kHz. If you look at the recommended crossover frequency for the Seleniums, I believe you'll find that it's higher than the B&C, actually, 2 kHz.

DE-250 is used as a HF driver upgrade in Wayne's Pi Speakers, and in Geddes' kits, including his TOTL Summa, which use crossovers in the same range as E'Wave. I note he's also now offering an 8" "Mini" using DE-10....
 
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Waveguide.....got it! That is the problem with being creative.....I have several words for anyone thing, and some that no one has ever heard. Cheers.

PS. Hey Z, do you have a part # for the 8x8 waveguide? I just see the 6x6 listed in the project summary.
 
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PE wholesale for the DE 250 and the thread adapter is $102.92 when bought in quantities over 4. They also give free shipping over $500.00.

If three or more people wish to get together an order, I would be willing to place it. I could then ship the parts out from Colorado. Shipping from CO would not be included in the $102.92. Shipping weight per driver is roughly 5 lbs. Shipping costs within the US should not run over $15.00.

Please let me know if anyone is interested.

I'd like a pair, anybody else? 102.92 with adapter? The catalog lists regular price at around 150 for the driver and 6 or 7 bucks for the adapter.:thmbsp::thmbsp::thmbsp:

Russellc
 
Group buy

If Zilch has worked out a crossover for the D250 and JBL waveguide, perhaps we could include those parts in the group buy.

Maybe even a CC version to use with the D250.

I haven't even built my first EconoWG speaker and I am already planning my second.

I should receive two pairs of the JBL waveguides this week. The first set is destined for my old beater NLAs. The second may be used with a pair of HPM-100 woofers in a new cabinet with the D250.
 
If Zilch has worked out a crossover for the D250 and JBL waveguide, perhaps we could include those parts in the group buy.
Standard EWG HF comp works, it's the basic highpass needs a little tweak. I'm doing AR3a right now, but should be able to move those out soon.

Maybe even a CC version to use with the D250.
Only for the adventuresome.... ;)
 
Standard EWG HF comp works, it's the basic highpass needs a little tweak. I'm doing AR3a right now, but should be able to move those out soon.

Only for the adventuresome.... ;)

I have a bunch of AR3 cabs & woofers. Please share your findings when complete. A pair of mine are stuffed with Kef B110 and T27, dubbed the AR3/5A.
 
I have a bunch of AR3 cabs & woofers. Please share your findings when complete. A pair of mine are stuffed with Kef B110 and T27, dubbed the AR3/5A.
AR3a woofers are out for refoam right now; we'll see how they measure. I'm not sure they'll play high enough for 2-way.

It's looking like the tweeter hole in the AR3a baffles needs to be filled for anything rational to fit. Width-wise, the standard EWG will go, as there's already an undercut.

It's the AR1s with the Altecs long gone that have the SawZall excited at this point. Not sure if the AR3a woofs will fit, but they're the prime candidates right now.

I'd like to squeeze HPM-100 woofs in the AR3a cabs, but that's looking somewhat dubious.... :dunno:
 
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What astonishes me is that at least 40 pairs have been built from the basic design. Who knows how many other builders used aspects of Ewave to influence their own projects? That's an outstanding impact for a group project.
Personally, I hope people are out there doing ewave conversions on Large Advents all over the place. Once you hear the difference, it's a no-brainer.

That's the cool part of this thread, its really a how to build with CD waveguides and compensate compression drivers, useful for all sorts of projects, scads of which are here to look over. I've learned more about crossovers in the past year than I knew before, thanks to this thread and those contributing. It shows no signs of slowing down, more and more are
building.:thmbsp: Agreed on the Advent, I think Rybeams going to play along in this thread. He has a nice pair of NLA he wants to give the treatment. Maybe it would hurry things along if he heard mine mounted on top of his Advents.



Russellc
 
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AR3a woofers are out for refoam right now; we'll see how they measure. I'm not sure they'll play high enough for 2-way.

It's looking like the tweeter hole in the AR3a baffles needs to be filled for anything rational to fit. Width-wise, the standard EWG will go, as there's already an undercut.

It's the AR1s with the Altecs long gone that have the SawZall excited at this point. Not sure if the AR3a woofs will fit, but they're the prime candidates right now.

I'd like to squeeze HPM-100 woofs in the AR3a cabs, but that's looking somewhat dubious.... :dunno:

I parted out a pair of AR1s last year. I think the woofer frames are identical with the AR3/AR3a.
I have pix of both around here somewhere.
 
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