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2385 reconnect PS00 to P400 pin question

Does that mean that you didn't measure the voltage or that you measured it and there was no voltage (=0v)?
Sorry i connected red probe on13. Black probe on 14, set meter to dc voltage turned on receiver, after click read 80.7 vdc
 
Hmmm... something does not sound right. You have 80VDC on a 48VDC relay??? I don't know what's going on or if that is correct?
 
Hmmm... something does not sound right. You have 80VDC on a 48VDC relay??? I don't know what's going on or if that is correct?w
With the voltage being to high, would that stop the signal for sound , protection of the receiver kicking in, .. or is that power nothing to do with signal ? Maybe the new relay is working too well and not allowing right or left speaker signal, or am i way off base.
 
that power nothing to do with signal ?
The coil voltage has nothing to do with the "signal", only whether the relay is ON or OFF. 0V across the coil should be OFF and 48V should be ON.
I am puzzled about the 80V although the circuit shows a -77V on the transistor which to mee does not make sense unless resistor RN05 1.5k/1W resistor drops half of the voltage. Maybe with AC unplugged, measure the resistance of RN05 connected to the relay.
 
The coil voltage has nothing to do with the "signal", only whether the relay is ON or OFF. 0V across the coil should be OFF and 48V should be ON.
I am puzzled about the 80V although the circuit shows a -77V on the transistor which to mee does not make sense unless resistor RN05 1.5k/1W resistor drops half of the voltage. Maybe with AC unplugged, measure the resistance of RN05 connected to the relay.
RN05 = 1.199 K it looks like its red red red which would be 1.2k...Im not sure why my new relay does not work if it closes when powered?
 
I thought i read in the past a defective relay could cut out a channel, am i incorrect?? , does the relay either work on both sides or not at all?
 
RN05 = 1.199 K it looks like its red red red which would be 1.2k
RED RED RED = 2.2k Ohms, not 1.2k. 1.2k would be BRN RED RED.
You measured 1.199k in circuit.
The schematic shows 1.5k so it's probably OK.
It may measure low because it is in circuit.

Here is the math.
Relay coil resistance Rc = 2725 Ohms (from datasheet)​
RN05 series resistance R = 1.2k Ohms​
Total R = 2725relay + 1200RN05 = 3925 Ohms​
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Vtotal = 77V across relay coil + VRN05​
Calculate current through relay:​
I = V/R = 77V / 3925 Ohms = 0.02A through resistor and relay coil​
Voltage drop across VRN05 = I * R = 0.02A * 1200 Ohms = 24V​
Voltage drop across relay coil should be Vrelay= (Vtotal - VRN05) = 77v - 24v = 53v. (which is close to the 48V relay spec)​
But somehow you are measuring 80V! :yikes:​
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I thought i read in the past a defective relay could cut out a channel, am i incorrect?? , does the relay either work on both sides or not at all?
A relay typically could fail in one of two ways:
  1. A failure in generating the coil voltage (48V) or in the relay coil itself would cause the relay to be stuck in the OFF state.
  2. A failure of the contacts, typically a burned or corroded contact, could be due to age or too much current. It could be either or both contacts, and could affect only one channel.
 
RED RED RED = 2.2k Ohms, not 1.2k. 1.2k would be BRN RED RED.
You measured 1.199k in circuit.
The schematic shows 1.5k so it's probably OK.
It may measure low because it is in circuit.

Here is the math.
Relay coil resistance Rc = 2725 Ohms (from datasheet)​
RN05 series resistance R = 1.2k Ohms​
Total R = 2725relay + 1200RN05 = 3925 Ohms​
​
Vtotal = 77V across relay coil + VRN05​
Calculate current through relay:​
I = V/R = 77V / 3925 Ohms = 0.02A through resistor and relay coil​
Voltage drop across VRN05 = I * R = 0.02A * 1200 Ohms = 24V​
Voltage drop across relay coil should be Vrelay= (Vtotal - VRN05) = 77v - 24v = 53v​
But somehow you are measuring 80V! :yikes:​
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This may be my mistake, i measured voltage without relay, i will connect to relay then measure 13 to 14 and get back.
 
Ok as i thought my fault, connect power to relay, when relay engages old relay reads 47vdc between 13 and 14 new relay power on and closed 49vdc between 13 and 14, both relays 5 and 9 with power on 0hms both sides both relays, the new relay should work
 
OK i will first order a new relay monday, hopefully be wednesday it will be installed and we will see if it helps thanks pete
 
I installed the new relay, do to having to enlarge the holes i added wire jumpers to traces to make sure contact was complete. The new relay works but still no right channel, i hear a little sound when volume is as low as it can go but not sure it it isnt the left bleeding over. Maybe should have followed both channels in case at some point we followed the wrong channel. I dont understand why before i started when wiggling the volume pot , right would come on for a few seconds, now nothing, I tried touching all of the boards with a pencil, rubber end to see if it was a bad solder or crack, no sound, tried freeze spray, no sound.
 
Did you say that you had an oscilloscope, but didn't know how to use it?
What make and model is it?
 
Thanks, I'll look it up. We may just want to use it to trace a signal through the boards.
Do you have a sine wave signal generator that you can inject a signal into the AUX or Tape In input jacks?
Looks like this, right?
Screenshot 2026-06-16 120318.jpg
 
Thanks, I'll look it up. We may just want to use it to trace a signal through the boards.
Do you have a sine wave signal generator that you can inject a signal into the AUX or Tape In input jacks?
Looks like this, right?
View attachment 3784041
Yes thats it. I have a signal generator but it came not working, may just be connection, i will open it up and clean all contacts and see if it will work. not sure how i will know its working but i will figure it out, if not i will borrow one.
 
The generator may be working, someone tried to use it and told me it was defective, but from what i read it needs to be on for 15 to 30 minutes to work, it was tested for only about 5 minutes
 
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