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ADC's Bricks

In the pre-brick category:

There is currently a 770 on eBay and you can see the two wedge-shaped magnets on the stylus assembly in one photo.

So Walt, you won't have to wait for me to get the camera operating to see that feature.

I am going to write a book about procrastination but I keep putting it off. :D

BTW, my 220XE and 90X have the cast style mouth and my 220, 770, and 250XE(!) have the sheet metal style mouth.

Doug
 
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Believe it or not, I'd already archived photos of the 770 and had never bothered to look closely at the stylus because hey, it's just a conical. To show the folks at home what we're talking about.. At first glance it looks like the notorious ADC magnet-came-unglued problem:
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But no, it's just another idea Pritchard was playing with. Probably found it was too time-consuming to get the two magnets the same strength and aligned just right.
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I have two 230XEs (reportedly a private-label model), one with each style of mouth. The later one, the one Benchley is chewing on, has the same inductance as the 10E-4, about twice as high as normal, so it's playing host to a 10E-4 stylus. One scratches the head, Jeeves.
 
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Finally, now, at last: a Model 25 of my own

Finally, at long last, we come to the UberBrick, the one that started the whole crazy fad for heavy brick-shaped phono cartridges.

The ADC Model 25 arrived today, so, as promised, here's the update. Why have I wanted one? Among other things, to reassure myself (and all of you) that the 25 was the basis for, and thus no different internally from, all the beige-body Bricks that followed it. The idea was that if you were lucky enough to have an R-251 stylus, you could use it in a cheap and easily-obtainable beige body and still get the best sound the Bricks ever offered-- no need to pay top dollar for the rare 25 and 26 bodies. If my guess was correct.

But, sadly, it wasn't. This body measures a staggering-- for a Brick-- 710mH average, and the channels match within 20mH, so I think it's a reliable figure. This makes it, as I feared, unique-ish among Bricks [EDIT: the same as Models 26 and 27]. Does this mean Benchley can't enjoy the R-251 or R-26 stylus he snagged for cheap in his cheap 230XE? No, but he'll have to compensate for the extra brightness in the top two octaves. A 3:1 inductance mismatch will be audible, especially if you're a cat. If you can find a 10E Mk IV body, the mismatch becomes 1.5:1, which for most humans will not be a problem.

Now, having said that, all is not day/night won/lost. Don't be afraid to experiment. Any Brick stylus will fit any Brick body. If the result is bright, flip your treble control turnover point to 5kHz and turn the treble down a few dB. It's only a frequency-response problem, not some crazy magnetic misalignment that increases distortion.

The 25's extra inductance was probably needed to keep output level up. Output might have gone down because the mass of the soft-iron collar was reduced to minimize effective tip mass; that's my guess.

This 25 is one of the earlier ones. As you can see, it has the tapered cantilever. Also a beautiful square-shank natural nude-mount diamond. This one was cared for better than my earlier blue-dot elliptical.

How does it sound? Very nice indeed. It tracks my current sibilants tracking torture test, Joe Jackson's Night & Day, s.1 t.1, perfectly at 0.75g VTF. This is in the Onkyo CP-1030F's carbon arm, remember. As much as I admire these carts, I didn't think it was going to succeed in tracking that cut when way too many expensive aftermarket styli I have can't do it at twice the force. But we know that the tapered-cantilever version of the R-251 stylus is nearly impossible to get these days. Question is, can the more normal-looking R-251s do the job.
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You'll also see in the photo above that when the cartridge arrived, the cantilever pointed toward the center of the record. I have the funny feeling, having owned one in the '70s, that the AR XA turntable this 25 was living in had just a wee bit too much lateral arm friction to do a typical high-compliance ADC cartridge any good. As the skating force yanked the cantilever inward, the arm friction was trying to, in effect, pull the cartridge body back toward the armrest, with the results you see in the photo.

The stylus assembly arrived intact but full of crud, including magnetic crud stuck to the "flux lens" (my name for it), the channeled/grooved metal circle under the stylus, as you can see, barely, in the photo. The ultrasonic bath took care of all of it very nicely. The ultrasonic treatment has the advantage of cleaning an ADC stylus' suspension element as well, so the cantilever now points straight ahead. Nice.
 
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Another brick in the wall...

Been following this thread and then found an ADC 220 in my dad's parts box. Then I got lucky and won a NOS R-12E stylus but the higher compliance is not a optimal match anything that i got :sigh. I tried it on my Systemdeck and while it does sound nice...between the compliance, arm and the suspended deck...:rolleyes:

Matt
 

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Since I've found no magazine tests of the 10E Mk II and its R12E stylus, who knows if it flattened that treble droop we saw with the R11E. So, to compare the sound you get with the R12E in the 220 body you'll need to get a 10E or a 10E Mk II body. But either way, you'll need a damped or very lightweight arm to really use an 11E or 12E properly.
Note: you can tell an 11 from a 12 by the color of the magnet (11=silver, 12=gold) and the color of the little metal box that encloses the suspension (ditto).
Alternatively, see if you can find a blue R-9E stylus from the 990E-- it was meant to be the elliptical upgrade/replacement for the 220. Some vendors sell red 220E styli with the red dot that indicates an elliptical diamond. These styli both have lower compliance and will most likely work better on your 'table.
 
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There's probably an R-9E on an online auction site right now, about to end. Hope you get it.
 
Yes, that too. Did you win both? Hey, it looks like you did! You're now an official Pritchardista.
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hoodie said:
Thanks!....what's an official Pritchardista?
A 'follower' of the late Peter Pritchard, who designed ADC's cartridges until about 1975. I should say that we usually don't learn the names of the people who lay down the basic principles and make sure the company doesn't deviate from them.

I'm sure Pritchard had engineering help, but the impression you get from owning pre-BSR ADC cartridges is of a remarkable evolving consistency not only over time but within each product line, and the sense that the design reflects the strongly-held opinions of a single personality. BSR ownership tinkered with the details but kept the basic philosophy, at least until near the bitter end, which is remarkable. [climbs onto soapbox]: You could buy an inexpensive ADC and have the same sound signature as the most expensive ones, which, as you could verify by observation, were made almost exactly the same way, with no exotic materials, funny stylus shapes (they came later in the BSR era) or hi-tech magnets, just a little soft iron, one alnico magnet that didn't require alignment, aluminum, diamonds, glue and rubber. Oh, and some magnet wire. In the case of Pritchard cartridges from 1967 on, what we pay for is refinement of a basic principle, not a faddish reworking of it.[/soapbox]
 
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wualta, Thanks for the little bit of ADC history. I put the R-9E on the 220 body but the results are a opposite of what I expected. Tried the combo with the ERA IV Obstacle Course but surprisingly it doesn't make it past level two no matter how high the VTF. :scratch2: I re-installed the R-12E stylus and although it needs a heavy dose of anti-skate, the R-12E makes it past level four on all tests. Next going to try the 10E body on a different arm.
 
Whoa. You're right, that wasn't expected. The Era IV test record was ten years after the 990 cartridge, but I'd still expect the 990 to do better. If you can damp the motion of the arm you have, I'll bet the 10E will perform closer to spec.
 
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OK, I got out my 250XE, which has been sitting in my cartridge jewel box for some time, just to see what it sounded like again.

I got this a while ago on eBay as unused and it sure looked that way when it arrived (you know, no marks from screws or Benchley-type teeth marks :D and the stylus was absolutely clean).

Anyway, I set it to 1.25 grams and jeepers creepers does it sound terrific! Crystal clear and clean, full-range sound like everybody wants out of a system.

I just wish I had the spec. sheet for curiosity's sake. I don't think anybody ever posted it, did they?

Doug
 
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I'm getting a message from personal IT that says that somewhere we have taken aboard some code telling me that the 250XE was a private-label model, so no, I haven't seen a spec sheet. Having measured at least one 250XE body, though, I wouldn't be surprised to learn it's just a restickered 220XE.
 
Here is my old ADC 250XE with no stylus.

Probably won't be getting a stylus unless I could find an original. :scratch2:
 

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Gary's got it: [sadly, no longer in stock]

Furthur Randumb Thought: Doug's remark about the stylus being absolutely clean points to a way to tell if a stylus being offered to you really is NOS. Some styli (certain Shures come to mind) arrive from the factory with what looks like little white waxy insect eggs attached to the cantilever, probably leftovers from the manufacturing process. Sometimes there's leftover diamond-polishing paste in a ring around the diamond. ADC's styli were usually pretty clean right out of the box.

Unscrupulous sellers might carefully clean the cantilever and diamond with a brush. But they almost never clean the fine spatter the diamond inevitably kicks up on the underside of the grip; neither do they bother to clean off the debris that collects on an ADC's rubber suspension block. Which brings up the question: what is that spatter, anyway? It isn't dust, because dust would brush off. Plasticizer? Olive oil? Silverfish leavings? Gott only knows.
 
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