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Air Guns

I have some nice German and British springers. They are pretty simplistic. Easy to work on IMO if you have a spring compressor. All that's there is a spring, piston, piston seal and breech seal. Grab and go.

I have a PCP but won't be buying another. A decent one starts at $1K. I won't pay that for an airgun as I have rimfire and center fire rifles and the room to shoot them.
They are plumbing guns with valves and regulators that store a 3000 psi charge. They will all leak, some sooner than others and they require a compressor which is also a wear item. Definitely not grab and go. Yes, they are easier to shoot and group but if you can master a springer, it makes you a better shot with any rifle. I enjoy the challenge of shooting a springer and often shoot at 80 yards. .177, .22 and a .25 cal.
 
I have some nice German and British springers. They are pretty simplistic. Easy to work on IMO if you have a spring compressor. All that's there is a spring, piston, piston seal and breech seal. Grab and go.

I have a PCP but won't be buying another. A decent one starts at $1K. I won't pay that for an airgun as I have rimfire and center fire rifles and the room to shoot them.
They are plumbing guns with valves and regulators that store a 3000 psi charge. They will all leak, some sooner than others and they require a compressor which is also a wear item. Definitely not grab and go. Yes, they are easier to shoot and group but if you can master a springer, it makes you a better shot with any rifle. I enjoy the challenge of shooting a springer and often shoot at 80 yards. .177, .22 and a .25 cal.

Actually a lot of the guns don't have a regulator. The regulated guns are in general less powerful. Mine doesn't and still shoots with small deviations in fps just like a powder or springer and you don't have to pay 1000 for a good gun. Since you store them pressurized they are most certainly grab and go and for pest control much better than a springer. Mine in 22 uses 12 round magazines and can shoot 36 shots before a refill which takes 5 minutes and I can use my car battery or AC. I was a good shot before I bought a springer the artillery hold is quick to learn. It's a pretty short learning curve. I like my RWS 34 in 22 but the Kratos is a much harder hitting gun being at least 100fps faster. Even liking the RWS I don't think it will get much use now between the Kratos and the CZ 455 22 powder bolt action.
 
I just got a Ruger Impact Max Elite .22 with factory scope in a trade. So far I'm not impressed. It feels cheap and even when cleaned and lubed it has a rough trigger pull. This is my first air gun since I was a kid, when I got a .177 pellet pistol from a traveling farm and tool show.
 
Well, it is quite apparent, here, that I won my battle against the Sage Rats (Cal Ground Squirrels - a burrowing niusance).
Who'da thunk'd that I could beat a rodent?
Well, they're just not around anymore, and have been absent now for a good two years.
In these lean times, my Beeman has just been leaning in a corner, collecting dust; pressure gauge registers ø
So, I do the 120 or so AB crunches that it takes to go from zero to 2000psi, and I take it out, and take aim at my favorite property line stake, and, ping, it barely registers a sound of any air movement at all. And, as a bonus, I've got a pellet stuck in the barrel.
So, I try multiple rapid cocking and firings, and finally I get a slight pop, more like a bloop, just barely. but, it cleared the pellet. So, I try again; stuck pellet number two. Did I let that stop me? nope, I loaded a second pellet, and, masterfully, I get two pellets stuck in the barrel now. brilliance.

So, i find a piece of dowel rod that fits the barrel perfectly, and, I dislodge the two stuck pellets. And I try another dry-firing, and barely get a fart out of it, at 2k.psi - something amiss again in the valve.
So, I apply the degassing tool that screws into the breach, and, pushes against the hammer contact pin for the high pressure valve, to drain off the pressure through the barrel [kisses offf that 120 pumps of the hand pump); and, even that sure fire pressure bleed tool barely makes the valve allow for air to pass.
No problem, I've had that thing apart a hundred times. Piece of cake then,....
oh crap, I don't recognize any of this ****, and a two years later moment follows.
In fact, it only fires due to my DIY improv. overhaul of the valve poppet seat and seal. That DIY overhaul seems like the issue here, as it had failed before in early design attempts, and failed somewhat similar to these symptoms.


Jumps in with tools blazing,....
Damn!
I broke the rifle down to bare parts, and, dove into the valve expecting to find my DIY fix to be at fault.
Nope, it held up perfectly; JB-Weld is an amazing epoxy.

Then, it took me close to 10 hours to reassemble the workings (have to break it down to purely base essence nude parts).
I pump it up halfway, and, try a dry-fire - nada, just barely a poop. WTF? Pressure relief tool, round two.

This time, with the rifle back to bare parts, I cleaned and polished every nut, bolt and interface, and lubed them. But, I'd been told to never lube the high pressure regions of the rifle, as it operates at pressure that cause manual dieseling, just like a true diesel motor.
So, this time, I lubed the inner valve working with White Lithium grease, and, I put a small dab on the valve poppet and aluminum valve body seat, and reassembled yet again; this time quite a bit quicker, and sure in assembly. temporary brain fade, I reckon.

I put the hand pump to the pressure inlet one-way valve, and start pumping, and give it the 120 AB crunches, again, and get to 2k psi. I take it outside, and dry-fire, and get a rather loud pop just like the old days. A pellet loaded, and, blam, it goes perfectly.

Now, in recent years, my DIY fix leaked. but it held pressure better than the Beeman high pressure valve. But, this overhaul, with the dab of white lithium grease added to the poppet/valve seat interface, it is holding pressure tenaciously. Its been a week now, and I haven;t lost a single pound of pressure. Its all I ever wanted, to hold pressure while it is in storage; and all it took was to break the rule of never adding lube to the high pressure zone.
I know, I know, its likely a temporary fix again. But, its been a week since I had to pump it. Prior, I'd have to give it 40 pumps a day to maintain that pressure for a week.
Yay! small victory celebrated.
now I just need some rodents to use it on.
 
Well, 10 y.o. Mikey reemerged this afternoon. This might also be thought of as more ways to have fun with an air gun.

As a kid, if I got a frilly-end burger toothpick, you know, the ones in burgers/sandwiches; Sort of like a toothpick, but bigger, and, has the fluffy end,..I'd blast them into acoustic ceiling panels by way of a drink straw; spit balls, with a pointy end.

Well, I had a burger this afternoon, and it came tagged with one of those frilly burger pick things, as I had asked them to leave some stuff off of it. It then crossed my mind, and I flashed back to blasting those frilly burger picks into acoustic ceiling panels, with a drink straw, and I immediately thought of my Beeman P17 .177 single shot pellet pistol.
So, when I got home, I dug that thing out of its dust bunny cover, and, gave it a cock, and inserted the frilly burger pick, and, closed the breach. I stood at one side of the living room, and, took aim at a piece of foam board that was about a 1/4" thick, on the other side of the room, backed by a leather couch. I took dead aim at center, and let it rip.
Damn, the thing flew dead straight, and blasted half of its length into the foam board, and stopped. Perfect.

So, i took a slightly larger burger pick that also came with the burger, and wrapped a few turns of masking tape around the back end, like a round arrow fletching,... and, put it into my Crosman 13xx .22 multi-pump pistol-rifle thing. I took aim at the same piece of foam board, and, blam, through it, right to the taped end.
Dang, that was fun.
So, I took a piece of 3/16" dowel out to the garage pencil sharpener, and gave it a point. This piece of dowel was perhaps 1' long. it needed a bit of tape fletching, but only a couple of wraps would fit. As an afterthought, a bit of cotton fluff, or something like that might be better.
This, I loaded into my Beeman PCP air rifle Chief Gen-1 .22 This was going to come out really fast and hard. So, I stepped outside with the foam board, took aim, and blasted a small clean hole dead through the foam board, and my new favorite dart disappeared into really thick ground cover that I had as a backing.

OK,... back to your normal life.

adding in edit,....
I reckon this is air gunny enough to add in post script edit - my blow gun era.
In my college days, I had a piece of steel electrical conduit of perhaps 4' long. I used that as a blow gun tube. The darts were nails, with a piece of index card cut to size, and made into a conical fletch around the nail. I'd take that, and a piece of plywood as target backing, to which I added a pair of small screws that were close enough to be able to place a beer bottle cap onto the plywood as a target. The air gun and nail darts were accurate enough to hit and penetrrate the beer cap from across a large living room space.
While this was fun, I ramped it up big time by adding an air compressor to propel the darts. Those darts were totally accurate, and, would penetrate plywood, and, blow it apart.
This is where I really drew inspiration from for the air gun frilly toothpick darts, which are far more sane and safe.
 
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The darts were nails, with a piece of index card cut to size, and made into a conical fletch around the nail.
This reminds me of the darts I use to make as a kid for my .177 pellet gun. I used the cheap plastic tube type cotton swabs, the kind typically sold in dollar stores, cut them in half, and inserted small brads with the heads clipped off. It was surprisingly accurate up to about 15 yards.

Now that I'm thinking about it, I still have a couple .177's around, looks like I'm gonna have to see if plastic tube swabs are still available.
 
I use a Beeman CO2 rifle and a pellet trap in the basement to practice off-hand silhouette shooting. Can't do well in silhouette if you can't get a few of those pesky chickens. Inexpensive and loads of fun.
 
Speaking of improvised projectiles ...
We used to make drafting room darts consisting of a whole 9H Turquoise drafting lead glued in to a stiff manila envelope paper cone. A 24" x36 Mylar film was rolled into a blow gun about an inch ID to fit the darts. Each draftsman was issued a red hard-bound Webster's which we would stand on our desks as targets for the shooter across the aisle in the bullpen. Points were determined by highest page penetrated, including the cover.
 
I am on 2.5 acres on a hill with the home at the top. There are considerable stretches of forest on both sides and just to my West is the Withlacoochee State Forest. I could shoot my 12ga. and nobody nearby would care. On an average weekend, my neighborhood sounds like a gun range. I haven't yet read this whole thread or purchased an airgun. Won't be long.
 
My lust list item,...
JTS Airacuda .25 PCP rifle:
 
@KingBubba
Do it. Its a blast.
Well, in Florida, you've likely got lots of candidates for eradication, with all of the feral, and introduced non-natives.
Or, you can do what I've done all day, and shoot at a pine cone at 100yds out. I've picked the rodent population so far apart at this point, I'm thinking about putting out Dollar Store sidewalk art chalk sticks as targets.
I did mess with a rodent at around 450' this morning; too far for a practical shot, and not humane,... but, hitting in danger close, without them realizing what is causing the dirt around them to explode is good fun.
I did that yesterday as well, at about 125yds. Another rodent in a pile of construction debris, broken ceramic tiles. It was so windy, that the most I could hope for was landing them in close, and I did, scaring the crap out of one in four different shots before it took off for it den at high speed. These four rodent shots are just a bit to the right, and a bit further out from the pine cone that I've been bouncing around on the ridge of the dirt pile. There were a few there, and I've pinged them out one by one.


guys that shoot pellet guns/BB guns never grow up.
Although surrounded by woods, I see maybe 2 squirrels in a month. The woods are pinewood not oak and that pretty well explains that. As far as other rodents, I have seen none nor any sign of them. The only feral animal that I have seen anywhere near here was 3 feral hogs that looked just like a farm grown pigs. Last night, my grandson was over and very nicely we ended up with 5 does around one of our trees at just about dark.

As far as target shooting, I am fine when sighting in the scope, but when that's done, I quickly loose interest. Maybe I'll have the son in law come over and we'll have a competition.
 
Well, it is quite apparent, here, that I won my battle against the Sage Rats (Cal Ground Squirrels - a burrowing niusance).
Who'da thunk'd that I could beat a rodent?
Well, they're just not around anymore, and have been absent now for a good two years.
In these lean times, my Beeman has just been leaning in a corner, collecting dust; pressure gauge registers ø
So, I do the 120 or so AB crunches that it takes to go from zero to 2000psi, and I take it out, and take aim at my favorite property line stake, and, ping, it barely registers a sound of any air movement at all. And, as a bonus, I've got a pellet stuck in the barrel.
So, I try multiple rapid cocking and firings, and finally I get a slight pop, more like a bloop, just barely. but, it cleared the pellet. So, I try again; stuck pellet number two. Did I let that stop me? nope, I loaded a second pellet, and, masterfully, I get two pellets stuck in the barrel now. brilliance.

So, i find a piece of dowel rod that fits the barrel perfectly, and, I dislodge the two stuck pellets. And I try another dry-firing, and barely get a fart out of it, at 2k.psi - something amiss again in the valve.
So, I apply the degassing tool that screws into the breach, and, pushes against the hammer contact pin for the high pressure valve, to drain off the pressure through the barrel [kisses offf that 120 pumps of the hand pump); and, even that sure fire pressure bleed tool barely makes the valve allow for air to pass.
No problem, I've had that thing apart a hundred times. Piece of cake then,....
oh crap, I don't recognize any of this ****, and a two years later moment follows.
In fact, it only fires due to my DIY improv. overhaul of the valve poppet seat and seal. That DIY overhaul seems like the issue here, as it had failed before in early design attempts, and failed somewhat similar to these symptoms.


Jumps in with tools blazing,....
Damn!
I broke the rifle down to bare parts, and, dove into the valve expecting to find my DIY fix to be at fault.
Nope, it held up perfectly; JB-Weld is an amazing epoxy.

Then, it took me close to 10 hours to reassemble the workings (have to break it down to purely base essence nude parts).
I pump it up halfway, and, try a dry-fire - nada, just barely a poop. WTF? Pressure relief tool, round two.

This time, with the rifle back to bare parts, I cleaned and polished every nut, bolt and interface, and lubed them. But, I'd been told to never lube the high pressure regions of the rifle, as it operates at pressure that cause manual dieseling, just like a true diesel motor.
So, this time, I lubed the inner valve working with White Lithium grease, and, I put a small dab on the valve poppet and aluminum valve body seat, and reassembled yet again; this time quite a bit quicker, and sure in assembly. temporary brain fade, I reckon.

I put the hand pump to the pressure inlet one-way valve, and start pumping, and give it the 120 AB crunches, again, and get to 2k psi. I take it outside, and dry-fire, and get a rather loud pop just like the old days. A pellet loaded, and, blam, it goes perfectly.

Now, in recent years, my DIY fix leaked. but it held pressure better than the Beeman high pressure valve. But, this overhaul, with the dab of white lithium grease added to the poppet/valve seat interface, it is holding pressure tenaciously. Its been a week now, and I haven;t lost a single pound of pressure. Its all I ever wanted, to hold pressure while it is in storage; and all it took was to break the rule of never adding lube to the high pressure zone.
I know, I know, its likely a temporary fix again. But, its been a week since I had to pump it. Prior, I'd have to give it 40 pumps a day to maintain that pressure for a week.
Yay! small victory celebrated.
now I just need some rodents to use it on.
Springers use a moly grease. A light coating on the seal edge and moly tar lightly on the spring. Multi pump pneumatic uses some light oil - a 30 weight, non detergent oil.
 
Although surrounded by woods, I see maybe 2 squirrels in a month. The woods are pinewood not oak and that pretty well explains that. As far as other rodents, I have seen none nor any sign of them. The only feral animal that I have seen anywhere near here was 3 feral hogs that looked just like a farm grown pigs. Last night, my grandson was over and very nicely we ended up with 5 does around one of our trees at just about dark.

As far as target shooting, I am fine when sighting in the scope, but when that's done, I quickly loose interest. Maybe I'll have the son in law come over and we'll have a competition.
I have live trapped 15 chipmunks so far this year. I release them but survival rates not high. They decimate tomatoes. Take a bite or 2 and move to the next one. No shooting unless they damage stuff. We had a bad 13 line ground squirrel population years ago. I left them alone until they started digging up my septic mound
Pellet gun at 50 yards made quick work.
 
So, I proposed the alternate projectile of the Burger Pick.
In my single test firing, it pierced the piece of artists foam board when fired from my Beeman P17 .177 single shot pellet pistol.
So, I took it to test round two just now, and I feel it a total success.
I knew where a mouse nest was, due to my continuing frustration of trying to figure out how it gets past my attempts to keep it out of my generator shed. So, I loaded last nights burger pick into my Beeman P17. I went out to the gen.shed, and lifted the lid, and there it was, sure as day.
So, with one hand holding the lid up, and the other taking aim, and, tracing where I knew it would run, I took aim, and fired.

Technically, this is safer than a pellet, as I've had those bounce back out of this same space.

I'm leaving the pics small, so only those of interest have to see them.
 

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This was not a fluke!
Round three of the experiment just occurred. It was another total success, but, without a trophy to prove it. It manged to slip out the same hole that they get into the shed through, I think?.
I went out to clean out the shed, as the little bastids had chewed up lots of foam insulting panels that I put in to quiet the generator, and I had a snow-like coating all inside the shed. So, I went to clean it out, and, there it was, mouse number two, in the exact spot as number one.
I took my last burger pick, and fired. At the last instant, the mouse moved, and I missed, and the burger pick broke. So, I went into the bathroom, and, grabbed a Q-Tip, that had a hard-rolled paper stem. I took a pair of scissors and cut the fuzzy end off of one end, at a very sharp angle.
I went back out, and opened the lid again. It was still there, so I took aim, and fired. The mouse tried to move again, but, this time, I hit it, diagonally broadside.
The Q-Tip projectile had hit it in the abdomen just behind the front left leg, and, went all the way through it, poking out the opposite side, just in front of the right rear leg. The shot angle looked the same as mouse number one, but just slightly further down body.
It then jumped off of the shelf, and, into the white foam beads mess on the floor. I was not able to find it. My assumption is that it either got back out the hole that they've used to gain access, or, it made it past me when I opened the shed door; or, it might even be in the generator working, still. Regardless, it was hit really hard, and right through many vital regions.
I tried to find it, and, even got out my ShopVac, and vacuumed the mess of foam beads.

This is not a fluke! It totally works.
 
Picked up a Crossman 322 in .22 for the grandson. He will be 4 next month. He was "helping" me adjust the sights today.
 
I am close to deciding to buy a BB pistol and a pellet pistol for fooling with. A lot of the ones I like the looks of are made by Umarex, the Beretta look-a-likes. Anyone have or have opinions about Umarex? All comments welcomed.
 
I don't know about that particular pistol. But, Umarex carries a very solid reputation.
You might find some useful info, here: https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/
Its a very close community, and active website. You'll likely find more than you need to know.
 
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