Alaska Reopens Fully Friday

[David_NC]

I’m not trying to get political....

But I understand what people think they need to do. The bad thing is the virus doesn’t care...

In all the places all over the world that reopened without all people wearing masks in public places without a method of sanitizing surfaces within the confines of buildings, infections increased along with the amount of deaths. Those places that sanitized and wore masks as a constant variable had few increases of infection and few deaths. I don’t understand not wanting to include a methodology that safeguards the public. The Ford plant in Chicago I think, had to close the second day it reopened as they just tried to go back to how they did things before. I don’t understand why people psychologically need to continue on as they did before without the added protection to save the lives of those with underlying medical conditions within their own families. Why the need to resist change by playing down the urgency of the situation. Have we as a people suffered so greatly that the majority of us don’t have the capacity to deal with the situation and fall into denial. We are heading for 100,000 deaths and we are opening up without any methodology to limit exposure and increased deaths which just means 200,000 deaths will be soon on the way.

I’m not trying to fight with anyone and I have a degree in human biology so I’m not taking out of my four points of contact. But why do we as a people remain in the Stone Age ....theoretically !!!

Why is it that just doing what we prefer to do without any concessions to what is actually happening so important ??

I understand that the lack of methodology prior to the lockdown made things painful for so many people but to resist planning to do something better that benefits everyone does not pass the common sense test.

We maybe at a point of history were the trait of common sense is trumped by being piously subjective......because there is more than one way to do anything.

In reference to the parts I bolded above...
I'm reminded of the woman in a local grocery store I encountered about a month ago. Everybody had masks, except for this customer. Evidently, she was a regular and knew the lady working at the register. The employee somewhat jokingly asked her why she wasn't wearing a mask. The customer flipped her hand dismissively and then "I've had Covid twice. Once in December and once in February. I won't get it again, so I'm not wearing a mask". The employee and all the customers nearby looked at this lady and then at each other sort of like 'WTF?' On one hand, this lady is likely incorrect on multiple points. More than that, she shows a real disregard for others, especially the employee.

My issue with much of what I've seen during this pandemic is that it has brought to light the selfishness and the 'all about me; screw you' attitude that seems to be prevalent now with many. It's pretty sad to see the complete disregard of others and how easy it is for such people to ignore science and common sense. I'll call it denial, but its roots seem to run far deeper to a sense of privilege that makes others almost disposable and reminds me of a child saying 'I don't want to and you can't tell me what to do'.

 

[Djcoolray]

I can surely sympathize with your situation. That can't be easy. I will just say one thing where I think we are way out there on the wrong track. The trillions of "bailout dollars being given out, much of it to those who don't even need it (big corporations), it should be that a tiny fraction of that amount could be spent taking care of our most vulnerable. Delivery of needed food and supplies, medical needs etc should be a top priority! It would do probably the most to lower the death count of any dollar being spent. There simply is no reason why this isn't even being considered with what we know now about the virus. No, it isn't an "equal opportunity" virus at all. 95% of the population , including school kids are virtually safe from infection complications. This is a fact.

A reminder, a failing, crashing economy is an equal opportunity killer for 95% of us if we keep this mass quarantine going. This was supposed to be a short term thing, a few weeks to not overwhelm the hospitals. The data this was based on was false, there were no millions of dead people. The difference between lockdown and non lockdown countries are there but in the grand scheme, very insignificant. But it takes a functioning economy to keep the hospitals open, the research ongoing etc. If we kill the economy like we are well onto doing, we wont have any tools to fight this and the next bug that comes along, let alone feed ourselves.

What you say is all true due to the fact of people not taking the time to plan anything out and create a method of reaction. But to do anything to a degree of efficiency a certain amount of information is necessary. Everything that has happened is due to a lack of information based on a timeline form the beginning until now with no end in sight. Then the reliance upon a system of services has thwarted any organized involvement to come together as a people with what we do know to make improvements fighting a virus as other cultures have done. There is a reason why groups of people are more involved resolving issues together as a people and not relying on a civil structure to do everything for them.

 

[Pio1980]

Afaik, generally speaking we do have a legally enshrined framework for an honest free press in this country, independent by law from govt control. Given economics of the press and information dispersal for political and economic (often interrelated) advantage, bias is frequently evidenced, but still Constitutionally independent of govt control.
If our press model isn't the template other countries with a free independent press follow, then I don't know what is.

 

[Djcoolray]

Afaik, generally speaking we do have a legally enshrined framework for an honest free press in this country, independent by law from govt control. Given economics of the press and information dispersal for political and economic (often interrelated) advantage, bias is frequently evidenced, but still Constitutionally independent of govt control.
If our press model isn't the template other countries with a free independent press follow, then I don't know what is.

That’s true, but whom would you say has bought up all of the news agencies through the decades to create the misinformation in the first place. I posed this as a question as actually mentioning who would be thought of as being political.

 

[WobblySam]

OK, sure, we stop the economy, shut down, bunker in and hide for however long it takes until we are 100% positive without a shadow of a doubt that the virus will no longer harm any of us. After all one cannot be too sure with this mysterious virus. Then we crawl out, look at the world we created, count up the dead from suicide, murder, beatings, starvation, make a footnote of all the foreclosures, bankruptcies, divorces, and say, 'well I guess that was worth it'.

Thanks for having the nuggets to say it and taking the heat for an honest assessment.

 

[Alobar]

What you say is all true due to the fact of people not taking the time to plan anything out and create a method of reaction. But to do anything to a degree of efficiency a certain amount of information is necessary. Everything that has happened is due to a lack of information based on a timeline form the beginning until now with no end in sight. Then the reliance upon a system of services has thwarted any organized involvement to come together as a people with what we do know to make improvements fighting a virus as other cultures have done. There is a reason why groups of people are more involved resolving issues together as a people and not relying on a civil structure to do everything for them.

Nata, I started to respond about the bailouts, but that quickly took me over the political line..

 

[Alobar]

Afaik, generally speaking we do have a legally enshrined framework for an honest free press in this country, independent by law from govt control. Given economics of the press and information dispersal for political and economic (often interrelated) advantage, bias is frequently evidenced, but still Constitutionally independent of govt control.
If our press model isn't the template other countries with a free independent press follow, then I don't know what is.

Yes, independent from gov control, but not from corporate control. There has been a huge buy up of media, be it newspapers, journals, and especially the mainstream televised media. It gets rather confusing, because of all the corporations, shell companies owning this or that, but if on a windy day and the smoke and mirrors of the situation blows clear, the media, due to corporate ownership is in-bedded with big pharma, and not in a small way either.

Ever wonder why the mainstream media is for the most part lockstep in this pandemic? Almost having an "iron curtain" propaganda ring to it? That is a question that you won't find asked by or answered from CNN.

 

[Alobar]

Thanks for having the nuggets to say it and taking the heat for an honest assessment.

I think we all should have a stake in getting past this bit of mass paranoia over what is essentially none worse than a flu epidemic that only strikes the aging, and ones with certain morbidity. Right now we seem to be stuck in nowhere land, afraid to move forward, and yet knowing deep down that we simply must. We can't even talk to one another because of these damn masks everyone is wearing! Talk about a mass gag order! Those BTW wont keep you from catching the virus, their only use would be if you are coughing and sneezing that might keep the droplets confined. But if you are coughing and sneezing, perhaps going out in public isn't the best idea anyway.

 

[Tronk]

I think we all should have a stake in getting past this bit of mass paranoia over what is essentially none worse than a flu epidemic that only strikes the aging, and ones with certain morbidity. Right now we seem to be stuck in nowhere land, afraid to move forward, and yet knowing deep down that we simply must. We can't even talk to one another because of these damn masks everyone is wearing! Talk about a mass gag order! Those BTW wont keep you from catching the virus, their only use would be if you are coughing and sneezing that might keep the droplets confined. But if you are coughing and sneezing, perhaps going out in public isn't the best idea anyway.

I agree, but I'd still like to get one more stimulus check outta the deal.

 

[Alobar]

I agree, but I'd still like to get one more stimulus check outta the deal.

Therein lies the problem!

 

[Tronk]

Therein lies the problem!

Lost wages is a problem too, and I want mine.

 

[Alobar]

Lost wages is a problem too, and I want mine.

Absolutely! It is a terrible problem that will get much worse as time goes on. Eventually however, the money doled out will be about as valuable as monopoly money off the xerox machine. Something needs to back it up, and it seems to some that we can just sit home and let it run on and on like this is pure mass fantasy!

 

[Tronk]

Absolutely! It is a terrible problem that will get much worse as time goes on. Eventually however, the money doled out will be about as valuable as monopoly money off the xerox machine. Something needs to back it up, and it seems to some that we can just sit home and let it run on and on like this is pure mass fantasy!

I was essential and working up until two weeks ago. When the complications of this affected my business, I was then laid off. This is the first time I've ever been laid off in working 36 years now and I do not like it.

I'd much rather be working than collecting compensation because a robust economy for all going forward is far more important than the thought of relying on something that simply won't last IMO.

 

[Pio1980]

That’s true, but whom would you say has bought up all of the news agencies through the decades to create the misinformation in the first place. I posed this as a question as actually mentioning who would be thought of as being political.

The thing with a "free" press is that anyone with the means can get involved to disseminate factual information, or propaganda to promote an agenda. That's what we have here, and everything between. Follow the money and consider the source for motivation and purpose.

 

[petes'picks]

I get what you guys are saying about our current Press, today we don't have one news organization without serious bias, Macneil Lehrer news hour was the last trustworthy source, today its agenda driven. I seldom watch news now and when I do its just for entertainment purposes to watch the spin and see what new agendas are in play.
To find the truth these days you have to goto 6 different sites, then take that data and divide by the square root of pie then once you get the answer throw it away and follow your gut.

 

[Tronk]

I get what you guys are saying about our current Press, today we don't have one news organization without serious bias, Macneil Lehrer news hour was the last trustworthy source, today its agenda driven. I seldom watch news now and when I do its just for entertainment purposes to watch the spin and see what new agendas are in play. To find the truth these days you have to goto 6 different sites, then take that data and divide by the square root of pie and once you get the answer throw it away and follow your gut.

I canceled my tv subscription in 2016 and don't miss it a bit.

 

[petes'picks]

I haven't had cable in 25 years, saving well over $20K on my bills. Concrap tried to stick me with $20 in fees and taxes on top of the $27 a month I was promised and I never once had a desire to see another one of those bills again. When I visit family I flip though their channels and realize I am not missing anything.

 

[GChief]

I always mention one of my favorite things to do if I am bored in a hotel room is flip between Fox and MSNBC. If your lucky they are talking about the same thing at the same time, that’s always a great laugh.

 

[Djcoolray]

I think we all should have a stake in getting past this bit of mass paranoia over what is essentially none worse than a flu epidemic that only strikes the aging, and ones with certain morbidity. Right now we seem to be stuck in nowhere land, afraid to move forward, and yet knowing deep down that we simply must. We can't even talk to one another because of these damn masks everyone is wearing! Talk about a mass gag order! Those BTW wont keep you from catching the virus, their only use would be if you are coughing and sneezing that might keep the droplets confined. But if you are coughing and sneezing, perhaps going out in public isn't the best idea anyway.

I understand by what you write how secluded your location is. You should have been reading what was happening in New York State via the Governor of New York and his daily briefings via YouTube. The deaths of the coronavirus is dependent on a family line of illnesses and starvation that go back generations that detrimentally impacts the DNA sequence. Because the coronavirus conducts cellular warfare. A thick tight fitting mask will help reduce infection, but infection also comes in through the eyes, nose and ears....as all pathogens do. The only thing saving people is there immune system which is dependent on the DNA sequence. The weaker the DNA sequence, the more apt a person is to get sick from any pathogens. The important thing is, what environmental issues weaken the DNA sequence and thereby the immune system. Cities that have had decades of high pollution like New York and New Jersey have much higher death rates than places like Alaska. The idea of the coronavirus only striking the old is old news in itself and ignores the fact that many people are sick and susceptible to the virus due to the over use of multiple contaminants that are chemical derivatives and put in food and bottles for whatever ails us. There are many things that impair our health as time goes on.

 

[GChief]

There are many things that impair our health as time goes on.

Yep, mainly the crappy normal American Diet of processed foods.