I'd prolly say that either way isn't good. But, only if the setting really places too much stress on one channel or the other.
Anti-skating is an analog compromise, at best. I try to go for as close to "Goldilocks" as possible, and leave it at that.
Antiskate force , what is yours
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Anti-skating is an analog compromise, at best. I try to go for as close to "Goldilocks" as possible, and leave it at that.
Okay. I filmed what Peter described as part of the Schröder method — dropping the arm onto the run-out in a non-groove area.
[7:40 mark of Ledermann's Part 2 video]
This is with 0.7 A/S on my Technics.
I have no idea if these results are good or bad. But the arm tracks the test record well, and I can't hear any inner-groove distortion.
[7:40 mark of Ledermann's Part 2 video]
This is with 0.7 A/S on my Technics.
I have no idea if these results are good or bad. But the arm tracks the test record well, and I can't hear any inner-groove distortion.
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The SME 3009 S2 Improved arm on the Sony. 4.5 gram anti-skate weight on the first ring (closest to the tonearm pivot).
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No. Without antiskate you will be 100% off, with- in worst case 50% off
Set your antiskate to track 70um and you are just fine. Cartridges that do not track 70 um on Ortofon Record are poorly designed, and should be returned.
It you are serious, get The Shure TTR-103 and Era V. No HighEnd MC cartridge can track as a Shure V15-V. MM are in general trackers better than MC
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Yes. This is partially a friction issue, too. The stylus tip contacting the vinyl (even if it isn't a groove) causes the tonearm to move inward toward the center.
Just out of curiosity, does the movement I'm seeing in my tonearms (in the videos) seem normal to you?
Have you tried dropping your arm in the deadwax area (non-groove)?
Thanks!
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Can this really be true of all tonearm designs? I know my Rega RB300 antiskate strength is much stronger than its marked settings. Would you feel like sharing the source of this statement?
You can measure the antiskate side force by putting the scale on the side as how in some of my first posts here.
You will find that the arm AS force is usually 10-15% or sometimes more. .This forum has posts with actual sideforce meter from Orsonic that confirm that balanced cantilever requires 12-13%.
If you have VTF of 2 grams your skating force driving towards center is , let say 0.24 gram side force. . If you set your AS to 2 , your actual force may me something between 0.2 and 0.3. An error of 50% or 0.1grams. Without AS your error or unbalance will be more than 0.2. So it is worse to be without AS , than even an inaccurate AS.
The skating force vary by sin(tracking angle) which means it varies at most from 21-25 if you are unlucky. That corresponds to a peak variation of skating force of 15% across the record. 15% of 0.24 in our example is 0.036gram a much smaller error then being without AS at all, which is 0.24gram.
There is simply difficult to find justification where running without antiskate can be better than running even with an inaccurate or wrongly set one.
Check your AS side force, and set til to a value that gives 10-12-15% , pick your poison, of your VTF
Your antiskate force must be off by 100% … twice as much as actual skating force before it is as bad as using no antiskate..
You will find that the arm AS force is usually 10-15% or sometimes more. .This forum has posts with actual sideforce meter from Orsonic that confirm that balanced cantilever requires 12-13%.
If you have VTF of 2 grams your skating force driving towards center is , let say 0.24 gram side force. . If you set your AS to 2 , your actual force may me something between 0.2 and 0.3. An error of 50% or 0.1grams. Without AS your error or unbalance will be more than 0.2. So it is worse to be without AS , than even an inaccurate AS.
The skating force vary by sin(tracking angle) which means it varies at most from 21-25 if you are unlucky. That corresponds to a peak variation of skating force of 15% across the record. 15% of 0.24 in our example is 0.036gram a much smaller error then being without AS at all, which is 0.24gram.
There is simply difficult to find justification where running without antiskate can be better than running even with an inaccurate or wrongly set one.
Check your AS side force, and set til to a value that gives 10-12-15% , pick your poison, of your VTF
Your antiskate force must be off by 100% … twice as much as actual skating force before it is as bad as using no antiskate..
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I had a question. Is there a reliable chart showing the skating force changes as the arm travels across an LP at 33 RPM? I kinda remember an old one (maybe from Shure) at a set record frequency, like 1000Hz.
Thanks!
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An interesting article on inner groove distortion. Why and how to try to fix it.
The only time I sensed inner groove distortion as a problem was on Procol Harum “Grand. hotel” when I put in on my families Garrard in 1973, Apart from then I never really sensed it as problem. Later I go an AT95E , that saw a lot of music ,, nobody cared about the fidelity then. it was all about the music and how big the speakers were.
I now use MicroRidge stylus, which kind of eliminates the issue .. far superior to elliptical,
I now use MicroRidge stylus, which kind of eliminates the issue .. far superior to elliptical,
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Aside from being a parabola, tracking error is a poor proxy as it gets one key relationship wrong.
Aside from the obvious errors. Personally, I become disinterested when the daft trope "complexity" is used, where the game is frequency and amplitude. It's typically the difference between rote regurgitation and understanding - describing the "feeling" of the problem rather than the actual mechanism.
I think if you adjust the tonearm's geometry and anti-skating to the best of your ability, it's about all you can do. I also run smaller line contact and Shibata tips.
The article seems generally correct. Most inner-groove songs tend to be quieter and less dynamic. Or songs that maybe the engineer and masterer guess will be less popular.
I looked through the tunes I uploaded and found that this popular one is the last on one side. A pretty "hot" recording. On top of that, the LP is warped.
Main Ingredient - "Euphrates River." RCA Victor Records. APL1-0335. Dynaflex. Unipak. Indianapolis pressing. 1974.
Run-out: APL1 0335 A 2 I
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Thanks! Those graphs do show that the lateral tracking angle increases dramatically as you get closer to the center of the record.