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AR 2-A SCORE and questions...

Sorry about the possible confusion on "stain" I meant the stain from the vase or whatever got it wet and left the water ring stain. The white or light ring stains are usually in the surface finish and easily go away with what you are doing. The darker the ring stain the harder it is to get gone.

I have a Heywood Wakefield coffee table that had 2 really bad dark water stains in the surface. Wakefield stuff is mostly solid wood so i was able to sand and sand and sand to get down to clean unstained wood. Can only go so deep on this veneer so this the barkeepers friend which has Oxalic acid in it which is used to bleach wood. I need to use this on the top of a couple of my speakers here once it warms up this spring.
 
stumptacular said:
you guys werent joking about these speakers requiring patience to remove the grilles !!! . these staples are tiny!
... i havent tested the speakers yet... but do you guys see anything alarming here? im confused about the process of revamping fabric surrounds....
to me... so far on the first speaker it looks better inside the cab. than i expected....

there was no way that grille was coming off without removing the cloth first...... i hope thats ok lol... i was careful to keep it in good shape... .

broke one of the "hatpin" insignia... but it looks like it can be resoldered ....

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The tweeter and midrange look good. For the woofer, I have used gasket seal from an auto parts store to re do the cloth surround. It remains soft, but us somewhat sticky even after drying. It does do a good job. I did it to a set of AR2X's I sold. Sold them to an AR aficionado. He though they looked and sounded great.
 
trinhsman said:
The tweeter and midrange look good. For the woofer, I have used gasket seal from an auto parts store to re do the cloth surround. It remains soft, but us somewhat sticky even after drying. It does do a good job. I did it to a set of AR2X's I sold. Sold them to an AR aficionado. He though they looked and sounded great.
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I would caution you from doing this, has in the past been accepted practice, but time has shown this will negatively impact the long term performance of the driver. There is no reversing this application once done either. The dope we have discussed is as close to the original formula as can be used, and is not that expensive in the scheme of things.

Not a cut-down trinhsman, obviously you were trying to do right by the specimens.
 
stupidhead said:
I would caution you from doing this, has in the past been accepted practice, but time has shown this will negatively impact the long term performance of the driver. There is no reversing this application once done either. The dope we have discussed is as close to the original formula as can be used, and is not that expensive in the scheme of things.

Not a cut-down trinhsman, obviously you were trying to do right by the specimens.
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No cut down taken. We are here to learn. I got my advice on a forum and tried it. If there is a better way, I am all for it.
 
stumptacular said:
Glenn can you describe to me what i need to know to swap out the old pots for the new L-pads? i read somewhere that the wiring is confusing... not the same on the old as the new... is there a diagram or resource for that ??

by the time i get all these parts i hope to understand what to do with them! lol :)
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Go to the CSP site and do a search on L-Pad replacement. Lots of good info and some diagrams with the new wiring configuration.
 
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the cabinet that doesnt need veneer lamination repairs is getting close to oiling...
i was careful as possible when removing the old cloth from the grilles... i had one slight 2" tear...
im looking at this old original cloth with the gold thread ... and im thinking there has to be a way to re-adhere this and re-use it...
glue suggestions? i think i would be crazy not to at least try to salvage the original cloth...
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Secure it to the frame with your favorite method :-) Some people
use 1/8" staples through material wrapped around the back, some
use glue. I like the staples. I don't have as much luck with glue.

Then clean it. You're not soaking it, you're just cleaning the surface.
That prevents, more or less, any shrinkage.
 
stumptacular said:
the cabinet that doesnt need veneer lamination repairs is getting close to oiling...
i was careful as possible when removing the old cloth from the grilles... i had one slight 2" tear...
im looking at this old original cloth with the gold thread ... and im thinking there has to be a way to re-adhere this and re-use it...
glue suggestions? how could i clean this cloth before i secure it back to the grille? i think i would be crazy not to at least try to salvage the original cloth... however... there is some dirt i would like to remove... hesitant to soak it .. it may shrink ... suggestions welcome...
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Is it actually fabric, or a plastic type material? I haven't seen original grill fabric in person.
 
it is a very loosely woven yet tough fabric... it has cool gold threads woven into it... i went ahead and gave the worst one a shower... if it shrinks i can compare it to the other one when it dries and go from there... i think i have just enough slack but there will be a couple imperfections... i might just use some clear drying glue like the kind that came with a foam surround kit to tack the fabric back onto the masonite grilles.... it was impossible to remove these grilles with fabric intact.... i would have needed a metal detector to find all those staples... this is the grille cloth... the worst that can happen is i will have to strip it back off of the grill if it doesnt look good... im goin for it....

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I believe that one is a saran type. Still be gentle, but I would say spritz with your favorite gp cleaner, maybe brush gently and rinse. It is like plastic in that it will not shrink, but does yellow with age.

Maybe not now that I look at your close up. hmmmm......
 
stumptacular said:
it is a very loosely woven yet tough fabric... it has cool gold threads woven into it... i went ahead and gave the worst one a shower... if it shrinks i can compare it to the other one when it dries and go from there... i think i have just enough slack but there will be a couple imperfections... i might just use some clear drying glue like the kind that came with a foam surround kit to tack the fabric back onto the masonite grilles.... it was impossible to remove that grille with fabric intact.... i would have needed a metal detector to find all those staples... this is the grille cloth... the worst that can happen is i will have to strip it back off of the grill if it doesnt look good... im goin for it....

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I'm loveing your whole open, go for it attitude with this project! Good for you, and you're learning a ton to apply to your next project! This is why I Love this hobby and the AK community!
Cheers!
 
GD70 said:
I'm loveing your whole open, go for it attitude with this project! Good for you, and you're learning a ton to apply to your next project! This is why I Love this hobby and the AK community!
Cheers!
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No Guts; No Glory! That was the mindset when these designs came to be. No need to change it now.
 
i have tried alcohol, acetone, sandpaper, brushes... paint stripper..... steel wool etc... but i cant get all of the white speckles of paint out of the woodgrain that it has absorbed into.... im afraid there will be some imperfections to the finish of these cabs but they will be a huge improvement over the gawdy and dirty white painted cabinets
 
stumptacular said:
i have tried alcohol, acetone, sandpaper, brushes... paint stripper..... steel wool etc... but i cant get all of the white speckles of paint out of the woodgrain that it has absorbed into.... im afraid there will be some imperfections to the finish of these cabs but they will be a huge improvement over the gawdy and dirty white painted cabinets
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Hey, some battle scars, we all have a few! Adds character and as Dr. Biggles says "you own their soul!"
 
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