Cartridge Recommendation for Dual 1009?
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NoTransistors
Dual Turntables Super-Restorer
Short arm with very little friction and no anti-skate. You need a cartridge with a tough cantilever. I have seen delicate cantilevers get skewed by the inward skating force. A Shure M3D or M7D would be a great match. That vintage cartridge has become pricey, but al least JICO makes a good replacement needle.
highwaychild
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Shure M44 with N44G, N44-7 or N55E as an alternative.
Or a N75EJ, works beautiful on mine.
Or a N75EJ, works beautiful on mine.
beatboy77
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I just looked online for M44. All I can find is M44-7. Is this the same thing?
Kind Regards,
Josh
highwaychild
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The N44G is the "hifi" variation for the M44, the -7 is for DJs. But you can surely listen with both needles in hifi quality. The main difference is in the compliance and tracking force that the needles require.
Well, the N55E is long out of production, but with a little luck you still can find "NOS".
Well, the N55E is long out of production, but with a little luck you still can find "NOS".
beatboy77
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OK, I am new to turntables and am confused
To simplify things, what can I buy now for the 1009? Perhaps you have a link on Ebay or Amazon?
Kind Regards,
Josh
Stanton 500 would fit the criteria mentioned above. Here's a BIN on that auction site. A bit pricey. Here's another one that's an auction, not BIN.
highwaychild
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njmpmcc
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Cartridges for s Dual 1009
If you have the 1009 SK variant (more common in he US) versus the plain 1009 (different headshells), I have had luck with both the mid priced Shure M97-Xe and the low priced Ortofon Omega. Both are available on Amazon.
If you have the 1009 SK variant (more common in he US) versus the plain 1009 (different headshells), I have had luck with both the mid priced Shure M97-Xe and the low priced Ortofon Omega. Both are available on Amazon.
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ssouci
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QUESTION: can put a current-production, budget Audio-Technica cartridge on my Dual 1009?
currently, I'm using a vintage Audio-Technica AT71 cartridge, which sounds OK but is plagued by excessive surface noise... I don't know the history of this cartridge, and can only judge the stylus condition by eye... it has a little diamond that looks "OK", but is it really?... still have to diagnose the reason for this noise (several possible causes), but I want to at least rule out the cartridge, and in the process, get a known good stylus
considering these 2 popular and inexpensive models:
- AT-VM95C
- AT3600L
both are *conical/spherical* stylus tips, which I don't mind, because I've heard they are effective in reducing surface noise (from worn/dirty LPs), plus more forgiving on the setup (handy since the 1009 doesn't permit too much adjusting)... people seem to really like the above two, despite the very low price
output levels are 4.0/4.2mV respectively, the AT3600 has much higher tracking force (2-3gm), not sure about the compliance figures
not sure of the compliance requirements of a Dual 1009, but seems it needs a high (or possibly medium) compliance cartridge, because the arm is low or low-ish mass (???)
will be feeding into a vintage Fisher X-202 tube amplifier
interested in buying something brand new, because frankly, the prices of vintage cartridges (Shure M91ED, etc.) on eBay etc. are going so high, and you always end up needing a new aftermarket stylus, so final costs with shipping etc. are way higher than buying one of the above for $49 CDN, including shipping!
not a lot of risk buying one of these, but will it sound horrible, or will my TT explode and catch fire, or ???
any advice greatly appreciated, thanks
currently, I'm using a vintage Audio-Technica AT71 cartridge, which sounds OK but is plagued by excessive surface noise... I don't know the history of this cartridge, and can only judge the stylus condition by eye... it has a little diamond that looks "OK", but is it really?... still have to diagnose the reason for this noise (several possible causes), but I want to at least rule out the cartridge, and in the process, get a known good stylus
considering these 2 popular and inexpensive models:
- AT-VM95C
- AT3600L
both are *conical/spherical* stylus tips, which I don't mind, because I've heard they are effective in reducing surface noise (from worn/dirty LPs), plus more forgiving on the setup (handy since the 1009 doesn't permit too much adjusting)... people seem to really like the above two, despite the very low price
output levels are 4.0/4.2mV respectively, the AT3600 has much higher tracking force (2-3gm), not sure about the compliance figures
not sure of the compliance requirements of a Dual 1009, but seems it needs a high (or possibly medium) compliance cartridge, because the arm is low or low-ish mass (???)
will be feeding into a vintage Fisher X-202 tube amplifier
interested in buying something brand new, because frankly, the prices of vintage cartridges (Shure M91ED, etc.) on eBay etc. are going so high, and you always end up needing a new aftermarket stylus, so final costs with shipping etc. are way higher than buying one of the above for $49 CDN, including shipping!
not a lot of risk buying one of these, but will it sound horrible, or will my TT explode and catch fire, or ???
any advice greatly appreciated, thanks
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malden
Lunatic Member
yes
If you don't know the history of your current cartridge, you can always get a new stylus for it
the AT-VM95C tracks at about 2 grams, that may be a little too low for the 1009, the AT3600 may be a better match at 3 grams
The 1009 actually needs a medium to low compliance cartridge
For me, a higher output cartridge sounds better when run thru older tube amplifiers such as the X-202. A cartridge with 4 or so mV would be the absolute lowest I would use but if you were to use an outboard phono preamp, that would probably do. You also have to consider your speakers, how efficient are they and how low do they go?
The M91ED is a great cartridge but the output it too low for my taste. My go-to cartridge for vintage tube amps is a Shure M44-7 which is no longer produced but JICO has picked up the slack and now manufacture their own version of the M44.
J50 IMP NUDE
【Specification】 Playback Frequency Range: 20Hz~20kHz Load Resistance: 47kΩ DC Resistance: about 800Ω Compliance: L8.5/V7.8 Channel Balance: 1.5 or less Channel Separation: 20db Tonearm Mount: 1/2 inch standard mount Cart type: MM Cantilever: JICO Type S Tip shape: SOLID Conical tip Tip size...
www.jico-stylus.com
ssouci
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thanks for the info, hugely appreciated!
so the AT3600L seems like a top contender... any other suggestions for something that might be better (for a 1009) in that similar price range? (new production that I can order online w. free shipping)... perhaps with higher output?
btw, I'm not too keen on spending a lot right now, just want to play a few of my old (fairly trashed) records and have some fun, the reevaluate of I want to go further with vinyl, and with restoring this Dual 1009
so the AT3600L seems like a top contender... any other suggestions for something that might be better (for a 1009) in that similar price range? (new production that I can order online w. free shipping)... perhaps with higher output?
btw, I'm not too keen on spending a lot right now, just want to play a few of my old (fairly trashed) records and have some fun, the reevaluate of I want to go further with vinyl, and with restoring this Dual 1009
malden
Lunatic Member
I like the higher output of the Sumiko Oyster, tracking is a bit light but if you are not stacking records then it should be okay...
Oyster Phono Cartridge — Sumiko Phono Cartridges
Sumiko Oyster MM Phono Cartridge w/ replaceable stylus and hifi design — Expect sound quality to out-perform most stock-cartridges — Works w/ all MM preamps
sumikophonocartridges.com
ssouci
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my speakers are not super efficient, maybe mediaum???... they are DCM TF-700
but my CD player (Oppo) sounds great with my tube amp through the Aux input (but overloads the vol control a wee bit)... plays loud enough though at lower to "modest high" levels
the turntable with the AT71 cartridge seems low volume in comparison, and I have to turn it up noticeably higher then the CD
but my CD player (Oppo) sounds great with my tube amp through the Aux input (but overloads the vol control a wee bit)... plays loud enough though at lower to "modest high" levels
the turntable with the AT71 cartridge seems low volume in comparison, and I have to turn it up noticeably higher then the CD
malden
Lunatic Member
That has been my experience with tube integrated amps from the 1960's, the phono sections do not have enough gain.
In addition to a high output Moving Magnet cartridge, a Shure M44 with either a N44-7 or N44E stylus, (both have 9.5 mV output), I always to use the "loudness" switch when spinning records.
You could also try an outboard Phono Preamp connected to the Aux port of the amp.
ssouci
Well-Known Member
never thought much about cartridge Output... what is the range of Output values one can expect with typical cartridges?
what level would be ideal for feeding into a vintage tube amp like my Fisher X-202? (roughly)
PS: the output on my current AT71 seems to be either 2.7 or 3.0 mV
what level would be ideal for feeding into a vintage tube amp like my Fisher X-202? (roughly)
PS: the output on my current AT71 seems to be either 2.7 or 3.0 mV
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