Cartridge Recommendation for Dual 1009?
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The manuals for the original 1009 do not give any instructions about the position of the cartridge in the holder (sled). There is no plastic jig either that I am aware of to use such as the ones that work with later Duals.
Here's the image from the owners manual that might give you a clue as to positioning. The A vs B are just regarding screws up or down. Down is required if you don't have the exact length of screw to prevent protruding on the top.
Here's the image from the owners manual that might give you a clue as to positioning. The A vs B are just regarding screws up or down. Down is required if you don't have the exact length of screw to prevent protruding on the top.
havols
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havols
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Well friends.
I remove this AT 311EP and installing it in a Thorens TD 160. It sounded very good in thorens after being aligned with the vinyl engine tool.
In my DUAL 1009 without antiskating, I installed an AT51... 55... cartridge with a stylus that I believe is spherical, and which tracks at 1.5 grams of VTF.
Is there any risk to damage my records due to the absence of antiskating, using this AT51 with 1.5 grams of tracking force? Thank you all.
I remove this AT 311EP and installing it in a Thorens TD 160. It sounded very good in thorens after being aligned with the vinyl engine tool.
In my DUAL 1009 without antiskating, I installed an AT51... 55... cartridge with a stylus that I believe is spherical, and which tracks at 1.5 grams of VTF.
Is there any risk to damage my records due to the absence of antiskating, using this AT51 with 1.5 grams of tracking force? Thank you all.
ArDrakho
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On my Dual 1009, I run with my Pickering TL 2S cartridge with DTL 2s stylus. For me, it is the best sounding of various cartridge combinations I tried. As for antiskating, I believe the risk is minimal (under normal scenarios). The AK gurus might add more insight on this situation.
Thorsten R.
Super Member
I have no 1009, but a 1019. It is interesting to see that with my ADC Brick (220 X body, NOS 990 XE stylus) I need no skating compensation at all. Checked with different test disks.
KentTeffeteller
Gimpus Stereophilus!
They also tracked this force, stacking records when the changer spindle worked. When in good mechanical working order. I know of plenty of high end cartridges then which worked well in a 1009. The first changer which could track them well.
gridleakrick
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I've had a couple of 1009's pass through my hands over the years. The first one came with a Pickering XV15 with a D350 stylus, which was a .7mil conical rated for 1-3g. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the original cartridge. The second one didn't come with a cartridge, so I threw an Audio Technica AT-VM95C on it, which has a .6mil conical rated for 2g. Both sounded pretty good to my ears! I wouldn't hesitate to run any decent medium-compliance conical or fat elliptical on a 1009, but I'd probably avoid anything too high-compliance or exotic due to the fixed anti-skate and alignment.
I never quite appreciated this factoid about the Dual 10xx series until I picked up a Garrard Type A and tried like hell to make it work reliably with modern cartridges. Anything under 3g and the darn thing would either hang up or not trip towards the end of the record, no matter how much I tweaked it or fiddled with it. I'm sure the Garrard was a fine table in it's day, but the Dual must have been like a small miracle.
KentTeffeteller
Gimpus Stereophilus!
The Dual was no small miracle in 1964. The Dual 1009 was so successful, that many higher end systems went from high end manual turntable, and a changer (usually then Garrard), to just a Dual 1009. The ability to track high compliance cartridges, change records, put Dual in the USA on the map. A revolution in vinyl playback for automatics.
malden
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I wonder how long a sensitive 1 gram stylus would last cycling through stacks and stacks of records for an extended period? Seems to me that this type of function would be best suited to a stylus assembly with a tougher cantilever and stiffer suspension.
KentTeffeteller
Gimpus Stereophilus!
I was referring to cartridges of that era. They did fine. My 1019 tracked a Shure V-15 Type II fine (and that was even stacking 5 45's). I did demote the stylus later to a N-75 EJ (which I tracked at 1.75 grams) in the name of being more appropriate for that occasional stack of 45's. Always played my LP's singly on it. And I agree with your thoughts of a tougher cantilever and a stiffer suspension for stacking.
