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CONFESSION - about cables and interconnects

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nailer said:
You are confirming your "good confidence?"

Your final two paragraphs are what's known as jargon. I was once told by a Texas Instruments research engineer/scientist, who was into audio, that a researcher who cannot tell you what they are doing in lay terms in all probability does not have a clear understanding of what they are actually doing. What is it you are describing? What was the purpose of what you described?
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You are a difficult person to satisfy. I chose that particular example on purpose because I felt it would be easier to understand than a more complicated one. I really can't think of any simpler terms to describe the experiments. Actually the example I used was part of my son's junior year high school chemistry project.

To answer your first question "what is it you are describing" - The title of my son's chemistry project was "The Preparation and Characterization of Ag Nanoparticles on Polymer Surfaces"

To answer your second question "What was the purpose of what you described" - The nucleation and growth of thermally evaporated Ag nanoparticles are strongly influenced by the chemical structure of the polymer surface used as a substrate. This has a big effect on their electronic and chemical properties as well as their reactivity. So, depending on the application, one has to choose the proper polymer on which to coat the nanoparticles.

My son prepared the Ag nanoparticles in one of our evaporators in my lab and used a photoelectron spectrometer and optical microscope to characterize them. He worked up all the data on his MacBook Pro and did the theoretical calculations on a Mac 9600.
 
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Danathepill said:
So are you saying your system sounded like garbage before the Revelation? I always get confused by how many revelations all these cables produce. You’d think after one or 2 the revelations wouldn’t be so amazing but then I keep reading about one after another.
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my system- Innuous Zen MKIII streamer >> SU-1 Kitsune modded DDC >> PS Audio BHK preamp (tunsgram PCC88 tubes) >> Proceed AMP5 Class A, 125w amp/ or Quicksilver monos >> Tannoy Berkeley, UREI 813.. does not sound like garbage and probably couldn't, even with Amazon Basics cabling throughout.

as far as the 'revelation' comment, it was in part, a simple (obvious) play on words and wasn't meant to confuse, offend or trigger emo sensitivities.

I had some really nice, Analysis Plus $600 retail XLR cables before. When I put the even more expensive, all silver, DH Labs Revelation XLR cables in there- I preferred the sound of the Revelations, compared to the continuous crystal copper Analysis Plus XLRs.

i also liked the 'difference' in sound they produced, over the same Analysis Plus XLR, w my SS amp, going from preamp, to amp. So, I simply stated that I'd like to find another, affordable pair.

Some of the comments above remind me of a former AK member- botrytis. He was a sad, slow-witted, sulky fellow who went about getting attention, in all the wrong ways. He rarely contributed positively to the conversation. What's worse, his comments weren't very well thought out, or clever, (Dunning- Kreuger Effect) though I think he thought he was.
 
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If my memory serves me well, Samsung used to sell a bacteria-killing washing machine. It was not all silver though, just the silver-coated drum.
 
AudioAvarice said:
I think a lot of it is the media portrayal of science as having definitive answers, without going into the detail that those definitive answers often only apply in a limited/controlled enviroment, and that in many 'real world' situations there are too many variables (this applies to biology especially).
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It is actually marketing. And media piles on to it.

I've worked with many scientists over my career, and my best friend's dad was a chemist at the National Research Council. The most grounded and versatile people I know are physicists. Some of the best IT people as well. Fudging numbers, while possible, is contradictory to why these people go into their field. They have a passion to making new discoveries and understanding why things are as they are.
 
I don’t know a single scientist who would suggest that science offers definitive answers. At best, they suggest that science is the practice of asking questions in order to get better questions. The answers merely represent the best possible conclusions and are subject to change with better data and observations that are borne of better questions. Anyone who says that science offers definitive answers, doesn’t understand science.
 
Lou G said:
I can give you a simple example. I collect some photoemission spectra on an unknown conformation that Ag nanoparticles form on the surface of a polymer. The data suggests there are 2 possible molecular conformations, a pyramidal and a planar. So I use Molecular Mechanics to optimize the 2 conformations in 3 dimensional space and plug that data into a Molecular Orbital calculation program. The program will than output the chemical states that exist for the two conformations. I take those states and overlay them with the experimental spectra to see which provides the best fit. In this case it was the pyramidal conformation.
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Just one question, and is a sincere one.
The equipment used by you ofcourse uses high quality cables and connectors. Do scientist ever doubt the outcome of there research based on the quality of the data and data processing because the quality of the cables and connectors being not sufficiently high. Or in other words, did you ever experiment with high fidelity science cables to see if you get other results. Just because it seems to me that past good quality material only audiophiles question the quality with there interpretation (brain, subjective, based on experience) of what there ear (sensor) receives.
Again no trolling.
 
GrisPato said:
Just one question, and is a sincere one.
The equipment used by you ofcourse uses high quality cables and connectors. Do scientist ever doubt the outcome of there research based on the quality of the data and data processing because the quality of the cables and connectors being not sufficiently high. Or in other words, did you ever experiment with high fidelity science cables to see if you get other results. Just because it seems to me that past good quality material only audiophiles question the quality with there interpretation (brain, subjective, based on experience) of what there ear (sensor) receives.
Again no trolling.
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Good question. The simple answer is no. I have never seen high fidelity science cables. I don't know any scientist that would be concerned about the quality of the cables or connectors in their spectrometers or scientific equipment. The spectrometers that I have used typically cost $1 million or more. If the manufacturers thought that cables would make a difference, I am sure they would use whatever makes a difference. All of the power cables that I have seen used in scientific equipment are typically nothing exotic. Just good quality heavy duty power cables. Some are 12 AWG and some are 14 AWG. Depends on the application. Interconnects typically look like standard interconnects, nothing exotic. All of the cabling used in these spectrometers are pretty much standard and can be purchased at laboratory or scientific electronics supply houses. Perhaps some are shielded but I cannot definitely say that they are..
 
True happiness is finding your perfect synergy cables. :)

And then... it's a 'done deal' and you can get on with your life. :music:

And while your system is playing... you can 'look' at them and think - Yeah!! :jump:
 
Perfection Quest is an eternal search ...

When my system is playing, I listen to the music. Getting up to peak at the interconnecting cables would destroy the incredibly coherent sound field I've managed achieved. Watching the record go round and round can be a mesmerizing/soothing experience though. :cool:
 
You know you’ve arrived when the sonic panorama snaps into focus when you close your eyes, and the conflict between what the your eyes are seeing and what you’re hearing disappears.
 
Danathepill said:
So are you saying your system sounded like garbage before the Revelation? I always get confused by how many revelations all these cables produce. You’d think after one or 2 the revelations wouldn’t be so amazing but then I keep reading about one after another.
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That’s you and the other naysayers problem , you only read about them rather them try them on your own to back up your naysaying, but nope :dunno:


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2FarGone said:
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Offering Machina Dynamica as typical of serious audio is effectively tantamount to holding up “Lost in Space” as an example of science fiction.
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The original was excruciatingly bad SF, however the NETFLIX reboot was decent. ymmv

BTW anyone else remember that plugging a Rat Shack digital clock into an electrical outlet close to the system was reputed to have a subtle/positive impact on the sound. IIR this was in the late 80s.
 
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