Coronavirus Is Evolving

[quaddriver]

The stat is simple telling the rate of death in the US population of people who died from Covid 19 complications. It is what it is that day.
Using "confirmed cases" is not accurate in the least as it doesn't reflect the huge numbers of those that have not been tested and are carriers.
Showing the stat on how many died in 2019, from all cases, and comparing to the final 2020 tally of total deaths for all cases will show the degree of difference Covid 19 made.

true, but refer back to my first post, it will only make that difference *once*. as a vulnerable group is plucked off, another group does not get voted in to replace it. But it is being implicitly reported that way. i.e. why the worry about K-12 education? the rugrats dont experience bad outcomes and the teachers get to enjoy the 'teacher syndrome' where their agitated immune system is in high gear making them nearly superhuman. Its always been that way, just this year, we choose to ignore it.

 

[NH-MAN]

we also report differently in the US so that makes a worldwide model IMPOSSIBLE. Laymans version: my dad has on his death certificate renal failure renal carcinoma. Kidney cancer. the cancer made his kidneys not kidneys not kidneys so what REALLY killed him was the effects of no longer having the filtering. My mother on the other hand, died of an acute sepsis. why? the cancer she had and bone marrow xplant came too late and without bone marrow, your days are numbered. In both bases, a cancer was what they had, but in one case it directly affected him, in another it did not. Our standard in the US is to test for CV19 post mortem and if found: +1

BUT silly **** like 2 people who got run over by a semi when on motorcycle also got counted. they just so happened to test + post mortem. mebbe the thinking is if they didnt have cv19 they would have driven better?

This is what happens - way too much - when you inject narrative. I have been told that if we reported like japan, we would have perhaps 50K deaths. which country should change? depends eh?

This ^^^^^^^

 

[tubed]

true, but refer back to my first post, it will only make that difference *once*. as a vulnerable group is plucked off, another group does not get voted in to replace it. But it is being implicitly reported that way. i.e. why the worry about K-12 education? the rugrats dont experience bad outcomes and the teachers get to enjoy the 'teacher syndrome' where their agitated immune system is in high gear making them nearly superhuman. Its always been that way, just this year, we choose to ignore it.

I'm not going to make any reference to the social and economic harm the lock downs have played vs the virus effects.
There are charts for that aspect too.

 

[spicer]

we also report differently in the US so that makes a worldwide model IMPOSSIBLE. Laymans version: my dad has on his death certificate renal failure renal carcinoma. Kidney cancer. the cancer made his kidneys not kidneys not kidneys so what REALLY killed him was the effects of no longer having the filtering. My mother on the other hand, died of an acute sepsis. why? the cancer she had and bone marrow xplant came too late and without bone marrow, your days are numbered. In both bases, a cancer was what they had, but in one case it directly affected him, in another it did not. Our standard in the US is to test for CV19 post mortem and if found: +1

BUT silly **** like 2 people who got run over by a semi when on motorcycle also got counted. they just so happened to test + post mortem. mebbe the thinking is if they didnt have cv19 they would have driven better?

This is what happens - way too much - when you inject narrative. I have been told that if we reported like japan, we would have perhaps 50K deaths. which country should change? depends eh?

Ya... follow the money, for sure it is there... but what's revealed is the existence of command and control, money being lubrication, and if that's true takes the conversation in the investigatory direction... like, what's up... one thing I know is liars lie and with enough money they can be made to harmonize. +1

 

[SoCal Sam]

BLAME LEADERSHIP - PERIOD. Just like with the 1918 Pandemic. In 1919, 65K people did not have to die in Pennsylvania because of a parade, if cautions were taken.

In this age, it is MISINFORMATION AND ARROGANCE AND STUPIDITY that is killing people.

Give it a rest. There is absolutely no evidence that the other guys (presumably your guys) would have done better. In fact, one of your guys was critical of the decision to stop China travel and when asked if he would have closed the borders, said no.

 

[likebike23]

The stat is simple telling the rate of death in the US population of people who died from Covid 19 complications. It is what it is that day.
Using "confirmed cases" is not accurate in the least as it doesn't reflect the huge numbers of those that have not been tested and are carriers.
Showing the stat on how many died in 2019, from all cases, and comparing to the final 2020 tally of total deaths for all cases will show the degree of difference Covid 19 made.

I'm not trying to pick on you specifically, but I still dont get what dividing covid deaths by total US population shows other than a small number. There is no context.

I could say that in 2018 there were .00183 people in the US died from cancer. That makes cancer look like a pretty insignificant disease. If I say .183% of people in the US died of cancer in 2018 it looks a little bit more significant, but still quite small.

I'll add some context to help decide if cancer is significant. If I say .211 of all deaths in the US in 2018 were due to cancer that looks more significant than just cancer deaths compared to total population. I could also say that 21.1% of all deaths in 2018 were due to cancer.

So if I express cancer deaths as .0183 people in the US died of cancer in 2018 it doesn't look like a significant issue. If I say 21.1% of all deaths in the US in 2018 were due to cancer then maybe cancer is a significant issue.

What message do I want to share with you all? Cancer is no big deal or cancer is a big deal? I guess it depends which stats I choose to present.

*numbers taken from here:https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

 

[Bill S]

Nice thread while it lasted.

A former co worker of mine had it. She's 60 with no comorbidities. Wound up in the hospital for a couple days. Her husband, similar age and cancer survivor with other outstanding issues caught it and fared better. Who knows?

The point is, if this ever gets to the point where there are more people who need hospital treatment than there are beds and resources in hospitals, we are in trouble. Anything we can do to not get to that point would be prudent.

 

[quaddriver]

we ought not to talk about 'you guys or our guys' everyone is acutely aware of the **** show that 'sposed to have ended on 11/3. now it SHOULD be a matter of resolving what our real risk and exposure is here. good things are happening, good things are coming, regardless of the incessant bleating the MSM still engages in. change the channel.

 

[Beatnik]

I really never paid attention to the charts, just how I felt.. but.. I am at that point where my body can't do as much as my mind says I can..
I hurt almost everyday from work.. Have even asked the company to slow me down.. We have some new employees, and I told them one of em is gonna take my place.. Its not time for me to give up yet, but they will do the attic crawls, up and down ladders, lifting 86" tv's up to a wall mount above the fireplace.. etc..
I'll be there for support, advice, whatever.. and I'll be the 'firefighter', handling the service calls, and such.. and when I'm 103 years old, I may retire..

I feel for you, been there.

I thought I would work until I passed, decided that wasn't what I wanted in life. Killing myself everyday while the tooth polishers stay home and see drs when they're sick, fly everywhere to see family or take vacations, set up their retirement, etc. The shop stills runs on my programs and setups/jigs today.

There's lots of places in this country I've never seen, going to do that if it means camping/living in my truck.

 

[tubed]

I'm not trying to pick on you specifically, but I still dont get what dividing covid deaths by total US population shows other than a small number. There is no context.

I could say that in 2018 there were .00183 people in the US died from cancer. That makes cancer look like a pretty insignificant disease. If I say .183% of people in the US died of cancer in 2018 it looks a little bit more significant, but still quite small.

I'll add some context to help decide if cancer is significant. If I say .211 of all deaths in the US in 2018 were due to cancer that looks more significant than just cancer deaths compared to total population. I could also say that 21.1% of all deaths in 2018 were due to cancer.

So if I express cancer deaths as .0183 people in the US died of cancer in 2018 it doesn't look like a significant issue. If I say 21.1% of all deaths in the US in 2018 were due to cancer then maybe cancer is a significant issue.

What message do I want to share with you all? Cancer is no big deal or cancer is a big deal? I guess it depends which stats I choose to present.

*numbers taken from here:https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

Of course dying is a big deal.
But statisically it means you probably didn't die from cancer in 2018 and probably won't die from Covid 19 in 2020.
YMMV

 

[likebike23]

we ought not to talk about 'you guys or our guys' everyone is acutely aware of the **** show that 'sposed to have ended on 11/3. now it SHOULD be a matter of resolving what our real risk and exposure is here. good things are happening, good things are coming, regardless of the incessant bleating the MSM still engages in. change the channel.

Who exactly expected it to have ended on 11/3? I know of no credible source who said that.

 

[spicer]

I feel for you, been there.

I thought I would work until I passed, decided that wasn't what I wanted in life. Killing myself everyday while the tooth polishers stay home and see drs when they're sick, fly everywhere to see family or take vacations, set up their retirement, etc. The shop stills runs on my programs and setups/jigs today. There's lots of places in this country I've never seen, going to do that if it means camping/living in my truck.

'Travels with... enter name of dog' That sounds like a wonderful thing to do.

 

[quaddriver]

I'm not trying to pick on you specifically, but I still dont get what dividing covid deaths by total US population shows other than a small number. There is no context.

I could say that in 2018 there were .00183 people in the US died from cancer. That makes cancer look like a pretty insignificant disease. If I say .183% of people in the US died of cancer in 2018 it looks a little bit more significant, but still quite small.

I'll add some context to help decide if cancer is significant. If I say .211 of all deaths in the US in 2018 were due to cancer that looks more significant than just cancer deaths compared to total population. I could also say that 21.1% of all deaths in 2018 were due to cancer.

So if I express cancer deaths as .0183 people in the US died of cancer in 2018 it doesn't look like a significant issue. If I say 21.1% of all deaths in the US in 2018 were due to cancer then maybe cancer is a significant issue.

What message do I want to share with you all? Cancer is no big deal or cancer is a big deal? I guess it depends which stats I choose to present.

*numbers taken from here:https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

true. like I said getting to the real number of infections, known or unknown is damn hard. The US is completely ignoring asymptomatic spread. the rest of the world is NOT. and our one sided reporting of deaths. in EVERY state, there are listed covid deaths of people that were in hospice...which is generally 1 day to at most 1 month?

but because the hospice worker came in and they developed a positive case, it gets counted as cv19, not whatever cancer or end game disease they had. 'make the numbers as bad as possible' was the order, and people obeyed and as the russians fear: the salt is mixed with the sugar (we use wheat/chaff in the US, but the russians have a different wise saying).

another illustration, we accept without question, that if you are 80 years old in my graph 1, you have a 95% chance of NOT dying from cv19 in graph 2. so gather up all the 80 year olds in the US that have not been infected previously, count em, times .05 and that number is the deaths of 80 year olds we will experience. now repeat for 0-79 and for 81-114? 115? using the known percentages.

and it works right? . If the model was linear. (it aint) (and if we knew the true number of infections - which we dont and wont investigate)

there is a REASON the MSM presents graphs and charts with the age ranges not evenly distributed, either by cardinal number or population heck, in the latest I have seen the 25-49 year olds lumped in in order to get a death rate that was as scary as the 50-55 why? Also, arguments for closing schools lump 0-18 together. well hell, in most places 0-4 dont even go to school and Im pretty sure there are at LEAST 3 tranches of the remainders grouped by actual school they goto (elem, middle high - ymmv) If we are willing to accept that a 1st grader going to school, influences the path of a 12grader going to school, then I guess we have to accept that going to walmart will affect lowes shoppers. Insane. utterly batchit insane.

 

[NH-MAN]

I feel for you, been there.

I thought I would work until I passed, decided that wasn't what I wanted in life. Killing myself everyday while the tooth polishers stay home and see drs when they're sick, fly everywhere to see family or take vacations, set up their retirement, etc. The shop stills runs on my programs and setups/jigs today.

There's lots of places in this country I've never seen, going to do that if it means camping/living in my truck.

Take a cruise up and say hi, its beautiful here.

 

[spicer]

Who exactly expected it to have ended on 11/3? I know of no credible source who said that.

Those who were afraid it would made sure it didn't, and those who wanted it to knew it wouldn't. So who exactly expected it to have ended on the prescribed date... no one did.

 

[Beatnik]

There was no hope according to the MSM, all of a sudden their views on vaccines and regenerwhatever have changed.

 

[NH-MAN]

I was enjoy this pleas lets not get it closed.

 

[Beatnik]

Take a cruise up and say hi, its beautiful here.

I'd have to swim.

'Travels with... enter name of dog' That sounds like a wonderful thing to do.

Few years ago there was a guy online who posted of his cross country motorcycle travels with his dog in the sidecar. Was a great read.

 

[spicer]

There was no hope according to the MSM, all of a sudden their views on vaccines and regenerwhatever have changed.

Maybe they're evolving... Either way it might be a good idea to stay clear of them for they spread divisiveness which is what we don't want here.

 

[quaddriver]

Those who were afraid it would made sure it didn't, and those who wanted it to knew it wouldn't. So who exactly expected it to have ended on the prescribed date... no one did.

m beginning to think my comment was not understood. during the leadup to nov 3rd (3th?) all sorts of BS was spoken in order to convince people that there were dark evil forces who not only caused this, but were trying to kill each of us off. every single word was BS and as a result most of the population does not know their bum from a hole in the ground with regards to this. people are actually PUNCHING each other in public because 1 side wants you to do what they say because they heard.... and the other side wants to make their own choices. What positive good have we done here? we/I/us had naively hoped that after nov 3th, or at the very latest nov 6st, all the disinformation preceded with 'so and so says...' would have ended. follow the science my ass. basically follow whomever can be made to look to support you narrative. Make me almost ashamed to have a degree with the word 'science' in it because its being turned into the new carnival show. almost.