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Crosley or BSR - which is better?

Not a particular fan of BSR, especially some of their plastic fantastic lower end changers but they are pretty reliable. Even now you can usually make one hum along with an hour or so of cleanup work.
 
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The title of this thread should be "Which one is less awful?" :rflmao:

Agree with the BSR crowd, at least it's made of some real stuff. And doesn't have SPEAKERS built into the same enclosure with an electromechanical device. :rolleyes:
 
I would rather go without before I chose either in all honesty

So in effect you're telling people just entering this hobby to not enter it? I submit it's better to play records on whatever's available than to not play them at all. When I started in this hobby I used a cheap BSR with a Shure I bought used at MusicCraft in Oak Park and it gave me much enjoyment.

Before this hobby I used a GE Trimline "suitcase stereo" and enjoyed that too. And it didn't ruin any records either.

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Just my opinion Tom

"I would rather go without before I chose either in all honesty". Might be good for some folks but I think a $5 tagsale cheap P-mount Technics would be a better choice, I am sure others agree also and some will also disagree
 
That line of BSRs will not take a standard mag cart because the shell is too small. Even the higher end ceramic carts like in some Zeniths or the Astatic 353D in some RCAs won't fit. Yup, the RCA was self weighted at maybe 2½ gr. and the Zenith at 2 gr. so they had to have better compliance.

Actually those high end ceramics can be plugged into a mag input if you use a shunt resistor. It lowers the level and flattens the response so the RIAA works fairly well.

Regardless, the carts used in those BSRs were not very compliant. Turn off the volume and listen to the TT itself play. You can hear it via the end of the tonearm vibrating to the grooves in the record. That is chewing it up. fighting that mass at the groove lateral velocity at high levels and high frequency, I am surprised the cheap sapphire could handle it.

Forget the Crosely. If you take the BSR, don't play anything worth alot on it.

Actually, BSR did make a good TT, I had one for a while. An 810.
I am sure there are others, but that one is low end, and mainly only two things stops it. It only has a two pole motor so it cannot take a magnetic cart, and the head "shell" won't fit a mag cart. The mechanisms weren't all that bad until they switched to the plastic platter. Plastic platters should be the death penalty.

You are correct about that line not taking a magnetic cartridge. It looked like a 310 to me... it's been a long time. Probably has much the same mechanism though, I used to know those inside and out... the 310 was comparable to the Garrard 40b... another reliable record changer.
 
My friend was given a BSR Transcription (forget which model) record changer and the thing weighs a ton so it might be quality-ish.
Definitely better made than the Crosleys I've poked around at.

Unfortunately it doesn't work and trying to troubleshoot mechanical things with two kittens attacking and trying to play with everything has put a stop to the repair until I can get it home unless I want to start the thread "show us cats in audio gear".
 
You are correct about that line not taking a magnetic cartridge. It looked like a 310 to me... it's been a long time. Probably has much the same mechanism though, I used to know those inside and out... the 310 was comparable to the Garrard 40b... another reliable record changer.

A 310 was designed to take a magnetic cartridge.
 
Philips 22GP390:
L/R balance <2 dB, separation >24 dB. moving mass 1,4 mg, response 30-17.000 Hz +/- 2dB, tracking force 1.5g
But no longer manufactured!

Indeed.

Thanx for the enlightenment.

That has to be one of the better ceramics.
 
BSR Macdonald 95 - AKA Realistic Lab-100 - I would have no issues with playing any of my records on this. Had it at home for some time until it went to a new owner. Still using the nice Shure M55E that was mounted on it when it came from Salvation Army.

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Isn't that like an almost totally different animal ?
 
Different from what? The original question was "BSR or Crosley as a brand" - didn't specify any particular model.
 
Just my opinion Tom

"I would rather go without before I chose either in all honesty". Might be good for some folks but I think a $5 tagsale cheap P-mount Technics would be a better choice, I am sure others agree also and some will also disagree

Well some Technics... You just described my first table and it was so poorly isolated it was unlistenable. I'd thought to myself 'well the radio station uses Technics and they're good, this is a Technics, so it must be at least OK right?' Live and learn. Replace that with 'thrift store mid level or higher Technics' and I agree 100%.
 
Well some Technics... You just described my first table and it was so poorly isolated it was unlistenable. I'd thought to myself 'well the radio station uses Technics and they're good, this is a Technics, so it must be at least OK right?' Live and learn. Replace that with 'thrift store mid level or higher Technics' and I agree 100%.

A lot of people don't realize that a ground wire is usually missing from those cheaper P-mount tables, is that what you mean by poorly isolated? I have a SL-B22 model in the garage that works perfect but I had to make a ground wire for it so that it was listenable. That one I paid a $1 for and was my granddaughters daily driver until I upgraded her to a much better Sony
 
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