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Dual: Dule or Do-All?

Agreed - I bet there are as many pronunciations as countries where a brand is sold.

Re the Webers mentioned above, for the well-known Stuttgart sports car SUV brand it seems the German is actually "POH-sha" (@lini please check me on this), not the way everyone Americanizes it by saying "POR-sha". Since I was a kid I pronounced it "Porsh" which is bad and really horrifies the 911 guys, but they are also saying it wrong. So there's that.

And also, based on other posts above, "DOO-AHL" and "Tek-NEEKS" are actually correct it seems (there is no "uh" suffix in English when translating from Japanese). I've always heard both of them pronounced just that way.
 
I won't argue that by spelling, Technics would be phonetically pronounced as "tekniks". That said, nearly everyone I've ever heard refer to the brand verbally has pronounced it as if it were "techniques", at last up until the last few years as international exposure on YouTube has revealed the other (technically correct) pronunciation in use elsewhere in the English speaking world.

Yes, I'm in the US, the Midwest specifically, and I readily acknowledge that many people mispronounce even relatively simple words. My hometown of St. Louis is somewhat infamous for the practice, a prime example being the name Chouteau (one of the founders of the city, in fact) who, as the name would indicate, was French. We have a major thoroughfare here named for him. Any St. Louis native will tell you the name of the street is pronounced "showtoe" with emphasis on the first syllable (yes, really) and yet when speaking of the man for whom the street was named, it is given it's proper French pronunciation. Don't ask for an explanation, I've tried. There isn't one.

It is a self perpetuating force of habit issue with regards to how we say the street name, and if someone didn't use the locally bastardized pronunciation that is expected, they'd be pegged as a transplant, or just as being intentionally obtuse. I won't say it's right, it just is what it is. No real point in going against local tradition, even if it is sort of dumb. The above is just one example, there are numerous others I could cite.

I know of similar twisted pronunciations elsewhere in the country, (i.e. Cairo, and New Athens, both in Illinois, and both pronounced with a long A) so this is not exclusive to eastern Missouri by any means. Of course, we can't even agree on the state name; most rural areas of the state pronounce it as if it were spelled "Missouruh", rather than with a letter I pronounced as a long E at the end. No, I can't explain the etymology of that one either. It has been so for a couple of hundred years, and will most assuredly outlive me.

Anyway, my point is not to excuse these linguistic foibles, but to state that they perpetuate by the momentum created by so many people sticking with them out of habit, even when they don't make any real sense. Trying to correct people over matters like this in the middle of a conversation just comes off as pedantic, so one generally doesn't do that. Especially since one is going against the known established standard to do so.
 
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C Hart said:
Re the Webers mentioned above, for the well-known Stuttgart sports car SUV brand it seems the German is actually "POH-sha" (@lini please check me on this), not the way everyone Americanizes it by saying "POR-sha". Since I was a kid I pronounced it "Porsh" which is bad and really horrifies the 911 guys, but they are also saying it wrong. So there's that.
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Not really, no. Shall mean, the first syllable actually is a "Por"(just like as in "por favor"), although quite a few people over here hardly roll the "r"s at all, so that it would then rather be a "Poah" instead. Whereas what really doesn't quite fit is the "sha" for the second syllable, 'cause the "e" at the end of "sche"is an "e" very much like the first "e" in ever or the "e" in "bet".

Greetings from Munich!

Manfred / lini
 
Forgive me if I'm wrong but you can't argue with YouTube.

Sounds like Do-WHY to me.

I can't post the link but searching for

How to Pronounce ''dual'' Correctly in German​

should find it.
 
Do we agree how to pronounce Dual/Duel in English?

The presenter makes a comment recommending that you complete (hold) the L sound at the end of either, which is something I notice in the German pronunciations more so than in anything she says.

Also, the pronunciation of "vinyl" near the beginning of @lini's video (post #7) freaks me out.
 
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Nobody calls it "Techniques" outside of the US. It's Technics, always was. Matsushita used to have the correct English pronunciation spelled out in their sales documentation back in the day and were insistent the American pronunciation of their brand was disgraceful. The Japanese put a very short 'u' at the end that you can barely hear. Go listen yourselves.
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A bit like Janome sewing machines. It was never Ja-no-me. Their sewing machines even had a metal badge on the underside that said "pronounced Ja-no-may" (means the snake eye as that what the round bobbin housing looked like when they invented it and changed sewing forever). But stupid Australians and English still get it wrong to this day.

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I was stationed in Japan for a year back in the 1980s in the Marines. I noticed that English words that are imported into Japan often get the 'u' sound at the end. Ba-se-ball-ru, ham-bah-gah-ru, beeru, and so on for baseball, hamburger, and beer, respectively. As you said, the 'u' sound is hardly pronounced, but it's there.

This would tend to make me think that Matsushita considered 'Technics' as an English word that they had imported into Japanese, hence the added 'u' sound. But I'm far from an expert and claim no special knowledge. Just guessing.
 
Do-All makes metalworking machinery. Probably most commonly known for band saws but at one point they also branded mills, lathes, micrometers, etc.




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Way back when I had friends that had 1019's and 1229's. So I tried a 1219 and then a 1229. But only kept them for a few months each. To much rumble and other tracking issues. So I went IMG_2510 2 2.jpegIMG_5055 2.jpegback to just having my TD 125 with a SME arm and then switching to a linear arm, I still have them. I also have recently added a Mark Levinson/ VPI 515B Dragon TT.
 
Matsushita has been mentioned with regard to other brands. First inclination is to sound it out Mat-su-shi-ta. Back in the 80’s, our shop was an authorized Panasonic repair shop. The trainers and everyone at the Panasonic office pronounced Mat-shu-sta.
 
Sansuiman said:
Trying to correct people over matters like this in the middle of a conversation just comes off as pedantic
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In many cases, it's simply inappropriate - which is the point where rudeness begins. I see pedantry as an insistence on precision or correctness in situations where it's unwelcome or unneeded. It's no longer even pedantry when someone tries to force an incorrect assumption. You brought up two pronunciations of Jaguar, and I think implied that both can be correct. That is so.

Just as it is for many other words and names. A lot of people are reluctant to concede that their knowledge of the language is rather less than complete, and that hastily jumping in to correct others is unwise. The worst offenders can be people who take pride in being well read and well educated. They are perfectly capable of making erroneous assumptions about English, owing to the narrowness of their experience (which they would not acknowledge), and their unwillingness to observe more and interfere less.
 
C Hart said:
Agreed - I bet there are as many pronunciations as countries where a brand is sold.

Re the Webers mentioned above, for the well-known Stuttgart sports car SUV brand it seems the German is actually "POH-sha" (@lini please check me on this), not the way everyone Americanizes it by saying "POR-sha". Since I was a kid I pronounced it "Porsh" which is bad and really horrifies the 911 guys, but they are also saying it wrong. So there's that.

And also, based on other posts above, "DOO-AHL" and "Tek-NEEKS" are actually correct it seems (there is no "uh" suffix in English when translating from Japanese). I've always heard both of them pronounced just that way.
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its jule or jool
 
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