Empire Cart

[Pioneer727]

Hi Guys
I just received a Pioneer PL-115D with a Empire 2000 E/I cart anyone know this cart is it a good one? Where did it fall in the Empire line. No info I could find on this cart.

Ron

 

[BlackSwamp]

I couldn't find any either!!!

 

[Pioneer727]

I looked every where. Thats a good sounding cart right up there with my Shure m97xe. If you find anything out let me know I think she is do for a new needle.

Ron

 

[mhardy6647]

Try:

http://www.cartridgedb.com/

There are a number of Empire 2000's in their database (though I don't see an E/I).

 

[Pioneer727]

Mhardy6647 Thanks for the link. Looking at the database it must be the 2000 E/1.

Ron

 

[ferninando]

what's the story with that site? I put in shure v15 type III and it comes up nothing. Empire 1000 zex and same. Stanton 600EE, nothing. Is there any data in there?

 

[luvvinvinyl]

oldhifiguy, try entering LESS information, to do your search. I entered Empire under 'Manufacturer', and 1000 under 'model'. It spit out all the 1000 models, including the ZE/X. Stanton 600 gave all the respective models, same for Shure. V15 yielded the Shure V15 II, among others. I think it is a format issue, in your search query. Sometimes, 'Less is More'.

 

[ferninando]

OK vinyl man. thanks for the tip. I'm abit on the pewter iliterate side with some of this stuff.

 

[ferninando]

yeah!! that worked like a champ. just name and #, nothing else. all mine are there.

 

[OvenMaster]

I had a 2000 E/III that was sensational. The E/I was just slightly less magnificent, I think perhaps ±3dB instead of ±2 for the E/III.
Tom

 

[Pioneer727]

Thanks Tom I think this 2000E/I is a keeper needle doctor looks like they have a needle for it but the replacment has no guard on it.

Ron

 

[Doug G.]

Hello everyone,

This is my first post here although I have been reading the AudioKarma forums for a while now.

I have loved records since I was about 2 1/2 years old (as long as I can remember, in other words.

Anyway, I have had an Empire 2000 E/III since 1976 and have always loved the way it sounds. :thmbsp: Sweet with no undue emphasis on any particular part of the audio range. I recently acquired both new E/III and E/I styli so I have been able to compare the two in the E/III body.

At the time, the E/III was the top of the "2000 E" series with the E/I being, of course, two levels below it. The main difference is that the E/III has a tapered cantilever as opposed to the E/I's straight. This gives the E/III a slightly broader frequency responce (5 - 35,000) compared to the E/I (8 - 32,000). The other difference is tracking force (1/2 - 1.5 grams for the E/III and 3/4 - 1.5 grams for the E/I). I know that in all practicality, they are both 1.25 - 1.5 grams which is where I set mine. The stylus color for the E/III is clear and the E/I is clear green. I hear very little difference between the two.

Soundwise, they are very similar to the Stanton 681EEE (which I also have)

The earlier Es were supplied with a clip on stylus guard made of gold metal that matched the cartridge body. Later, they used a flip-down plastic guard attached to the stylus itself.

I hope this info is useful and I feel that these carts usually don't get the recognition they deserve.

Regards,
Doug

 

[Stanton681EEES]

I hope this isn't a thread crap but since we are talking about Empire cartridges I thought i'd ask does anybody know about the Empire 3000III I've wondered if a stylus from a 2000 would fit since the cartridge bodies look so much alike. I always wondered what those 2000 series sounded like know I know Thanks.
Thanks. :thmbsp:

 

[Pioneer727]

Thanks Doug for the info. :thmbsp:

Ron

 

[Doug G.]

I don't know much about the 3000 series other than having seen them on eBay. It seems as though I saw the specs somewhere and IIRC they weren't as good as the 2000. It seems they had lower compliance. Maybe Empire was trying to position themselves into the new trend of lower compliance carts for higher mass arms.

I kind of lost track of the Empires after the 2000Z and 4000D series of carts (I'd like to hear one of those).

I love the sound of the Triple E too. Very natural with great bass extension. Just like the E/III! Of course, these were developed around the same time (the Triple E perhaps a little earlier) and so were probably destined to sound similar being competing models. I was able to get a NOS stylus for the Triple E from Stereoneedles.com. It was 70 some bucks though. I also got a "Q" stylus with the stereohedron tip off eBay. I think this was from Ed Saunders.

I would like to have a Z too. I have a stylus for one but no body :^(

EDIT: Oops, I meant Quadrahedral, of course for the "Q" stylus.

Doug