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Going Digital!

Yes, very system dependent.

I just know that in the 5 DAC`s that i had on hand over the weekend the 3 least costly showed improvements in SQ without question and the 2 higher priced DAC`s showed little ? to none. As i pointed out in my post this might not be true in all cases and i can only go by what my personal experience has shown and while the iUSB 3.0 and REGEN improves the SQ of the Lampizator Amber or iFi Micro DSD for example this improvement in SQ still is not on the level of the new Lampizator Level 4 or the La Scalla MK11 with or without the REGEN or 3.0. What i`m trying to say is that people are not going to get that level of SQ just by inserting these devices into their systems, one reaches a point of no returns and overall DAC design and implementation takes over.

Dave.....I understand your arguments....and I do believe you. There are others who have cheaper DACs...some costing less than $1000 and heard no improvements at all....you can google and find the results...even over at the audio asylum forum. But it's really no biggie. There are lots of factors as to why or why not one can reap the benefits of these devices. We all still boys here, these devices will not devide us....and chasing sound or not is not worth a friendship.
 
Dave.....I understand your arguments....and I do believe you. There are others who have cheaper DACs...some costing less than $1000 and heard no improvements at all....you can google and find the results...even over at the audio asylum forum. But it's really no biggie. There are lots of factors as to why or why not one can reap the benefits of these devices. We all still boys here, these devices will not devide us....and chasing sound or not is not worth a friendship.
Certainly not worth a friendship. Hey! your the one who got me started on this digital journey lol!

Seriously it has opened up a whole new audio journey for me and i`m having more fun in audio than i have had in years. The possibilities of what lies in the years ahead is very exciting if the designers keep pushing the limits and boundaries and not stick to the status quo and continue to think outside of the box the future will be very bright for 2ch audio. Company`s like iFi and Lampizator ect. are paving the way.
 
I'm glad and happy for you. You deserve it this far in life's journey to be able to be moved by what we so much love. I was only a vinyl guy and this is certainly a easer way of listen to quality music. I'm about there with the digi once I get the right cables and perhaps a Regen and psu. Once all that is in place, I'm done chasing sound as DSD 128 is fine for me. It moves my soul. Then I've to get the vinyl rig in shape as its ultimate in sound quality but perhaps a little more is involved as far as flipping albums, wiping down and so forth. But it does reaches me inwardly more so than DSD. For me it's more about the music and romance than chasing boxes/sound.
Have a blessed week and even better weekend.

TTYL.

Slippers...
 
agree with Lee Harvey, in my system using the Lampizator Amber and the REGEN there was a warmth and fullness that is missing with the 3.0, the 3.0 presenting a brighter overall sound, so depending on ones system each could offer there own benefits to ones system.

That is a quote from RH67 above repeating what Lee Harvey has previously stated that I'd like to comment on.

This December will be a year that I've had the iFI gear. A few months after I got it, I remember talking to Oscar about the Micro being to warm in my system....it was so warm that it was putting me to sleep...sleepy time. It had no excitement for me after It had its run in....its true nature was coming front, but it could have been so warm because it was already running through tubes in my amp and preamp......I felt it needed a little help in my system. Now previously, months before that...Oscar and I had several discussions about interconnects and cable and the different metals manufacturers use in their cables and depending on the metal, what one should use in their systems for that perfect synergy. At that time I explained to Oscar why my Vincent gear needed only the purest copper cables I could find and afford. I used Analysis Plus Continuous Cast Copper ( Ohno Continuos Cast) interconnects because of the rich, full body tones as well as the transparency. I explained to him I couldn't use silver of any kind because the Vincent hybrid gear is so rich and full bodied as it is....it needs no help. Silver always pushed it over the top. Now I suppose the Vento speakers had a lot to do with it as well as these speakers use ceramic tweeters...and aluminum woofers. These speakers can go nice and low for a stand mount speaker. These speakers are a little over 14 inches tall and 12 inches deep...a nice size stand mount. Canton list the frequency response 27...40.000 Hz, and all who hear them cant believe the bass that comes out but I don't know that its really going as low as listed on Cantons site, but the bass is really great. Its a very well balanced speaker that's for sure. No pollution from the tweeter and woofer at any volume and I've played it very loud at times. The mids are nice and warm and the staging is excellent!

But when I got the Micro ran in, due to it being really warm, I had to use a silver cable. I needed a RCA cable that would bring some life to the DAC. I had a pure silver cable in my stash, put it on the DAC to the preamp but it pushed the system over the top. To bright! I couldnt stand it! So I borrowed a pair of WW Silver Eclipse RCA cables and boy was I in heaven! I had all I could ever want in this cable. It was a decision I had to make because these cables cost a lot more than the Micro! Well, I bit the bullet and man these RCA cables where all that. And they where and they are Cast Silver over Cast Copper which made them some of the purest silver and copper you can get in these metals. The DAC/system had synergy and is clicking!

So now I've put the iUSB3.0 in the system, and im still hearing nothing but fullest, richnes and a full body from my system! I had it before, but with the 3.0 things are magnified! Its at a great dynamic! The sound stage is bigger, there is more transparency..warmth and realism...better separation and yes female voices are all that, and notes linger on in the air as well. I've never been missing warmth and fullness....always had it. The 3.0 gave me a darker background as well.

I really think all of our systems with the different components are one of a kind in sound with what they offer. All that means is that one system may need this and one system may need that to get the recipe correct. synergy is the key.....if a system is clicking, then its clicking. If not, them add whatever one sees fit to make it click. And I for one am clicking. Doesnt mean I wont add anything, or that I need to add anything to make it click....just means I may make it click on another level.
 

Really, congrats on your Level 4. I am sure its wonderful sounding. The Lampizator room with the Golden Gate at RMAF a couple of weeks ago was my favorite room of the show. I spent at least 1 1/2 to 2 hours in that room during the weekend. I got to talk to Lukasz and he is a super nice guy. What was more amazing was that Lukasz told me they were only playing 44.1 PCM rips and not DSD rips. I was floored by that. I could have swore they were playing DSD rips. It was that damn good sounding with only 44.1 PCM!
 
That is a quote from RH67 above repeating what Lee Harvey has previously stated that I'd like to comment on.

I really think all of our systems with the different components are one of a kind in sound with what they offer. All that means is that one system may need this and one system may need that to get the recipe correct. synergy is the key.....if a system is clicking, then its clicking. If not, them add whatever one sees fit to make it click. And I for one am clicking. Doesn't mean I wont add anything, or that I need to add anything to make it click....just means I may make it click on another level.

I am glad that the iUSB 3.0 is working out for you and it has brought balance to FORCE for you. Sorry I had to throw that in there after watching the new Star Wars trailer this morning. :) You have more tubes in your system than I do and putting the Regen in there would probably overwhelm systems balance. You know best for what your system needs. I got my Supra USB cable yesterday and have it plugged in this morning between the iUSB and the Regen. Its replacing the Pangea silver cable for now. I am also playing with the 3D & bass switches on the iTube & iDSD to see what works best there.
 
Im interested in knowing what the Supra cable is like! Any observations yet? I wonder how it compares to that Curious Cable?
 
RH67!

Seeing you have a lapizator and a fan of Lukasz....I thought this was interesting. Seems a few years ago Lukasz discovered a little of the magic of the miniture soldered in tubes used in VIncent amps. They are Russian NOS rocket tubes and have a very very long life. Between my amps, I have 7 tubes...and two of them are the tubes Lukasz discovered. Read about it here.

http://lampizator.eu/LAMPIZATOR/MIKRO/Mikrolampizator.html
 
That is a quote from RH67 above repeating what Lee Harvey has previously stated that I'd like to comment on.

This December will be a year that I've had the iFI gear. A few months after I got it, I remember talking to Oscar about the Micro being to warm in my system....it was so warm that it was putting me to sleep...sleepy time. It had no excitement for me after It had its run in....its true nature was coming front, but it could have been so warm because it was already running through tubes in my amp and preamp......I felt it needed a little help in my system. Now previously, months before that...Oscar and I had several discussions about interconnects and cable and the different metals manufacturers use in their cables and depending on the metal, what one should use in their systems for that perfect synergy. At that time I explained to Oscar why my Vincent gear needed only the purest copper cables I could find and afford. I used Analysis Plus Continuous Cast Copper ( Ohno Continuos Cast) interconnects because of the rich, full body tones as well as the transparency. I explained to him I couldn't use silver of any kind because the Vincent hybrid gear is so rich and full bodied as it is....it needs no help. Silver always pushed it over the top. Now I suppose the Vento speakers had a lot to do with it as well as these speakers use ceramic tweeters...and aluminum woofers. These speakers can go nice and low for a stand mount speaker. These speakers are a little over 14 inches tall and 12 inches deep...a nice size stand mount. Canton list the frequency response 27...40.000 Hz, and all who hear them cant believe the bass that comes out but I don't know that its really going as low as listed on Cantons site, but the bass is really great. Its a very well balanced speaker that's for sure. No pollution from the tweeter and woofer at any volume and I've played it very loud at times. The mids are nice and warm and the staging is excellent!

But when I got the Micro ran in, due to it being really warm, I had to use a silver cable. I needed a RCA cable that would bring some life to the DAC. I had a pure silver cable in my stash, put it on the DAC to the preamp but it pushed the system over the top. To bright! I couldnt stand it! So I borrowed a pair of WW Silver Eclipse RCA cables and boy was I in heaven! I had all I could ever want in this cable. It was a decision I had to make because these cables cost a lot more than the Micro! Well, I bit the bullet and man these RCA cables where all that. And they where and they are Cast Silver over Cast Copper which made them some of the purest silver and copper you can get in these metals. The DAC/system had synergy and is clicking!

So now I've put the iUSB3.0 in the system, and im still hearing nothing but fullest, richnes and a full body from my system! I had it before, but with the 3.0 things are magnified! Its at a great dynamic! The sound stage is bigger, there is more transparency..warmth and realism...better separation and yes female voices are all that, and notes linger on in the air as well. I've never been missing warmth and fullness....always had it. The 3.0 gave me a darker background as well.

I really think all of our systems with the different components are one of a kind in sound with what they offer. All that means is that one system may need this and one system may need that to get the recipe correct. synergy is the key.....if a system is clicking, then its clicking. If not, them add whatever one sees fit to make it click. And I for one am clicking. Doesnt mean I wont add anything, or that I need to add anything to make it click....just means I may make it click on another level.

Brotha B,

As we both know, as I'm certain others have picked upon the tell tale signs that one system actually should rely upon the uppermost two ICs nearest the Source ( in the case the one leading into ones integrated or preamp ) as well as the flavor of the USB cable, as mentioned earlier ones tweeters or speakers in general with always give their owner clues on which direction their voicing needs to be addressed, be it adding some sort of silve or silver plated copper to add extension or air at the very top end, and copper if it requires a fuller, water, more weightier presentation throughout the midrange.

As your case proved by adding the better grade of OCC Silver ICs as well as counterbalancing it with a silver plated USB cable where both your power cords and speaker cables consist of Cryo'ed copper which in interface offers a warmer presentation, yet with a cleaner , clearer more lush soundin top end that differs from solid core in that it has better balance which not robbing the high end of substance and textural information further hidden within underlining musical structure if you will.


All this to say that the 3.0 shows no such brightness in my system either, but then I've paid a lot if attention to trying to make each component as well as cabling integrated more seamlessly with what's there, as listen enough to know when something that enters either improves or deminishes the finer point as they relate to SQ as it fits my preferences and never question what I then hear as fits my ears to a " T ", so in said sense we agree on the importance of voicing our systems accordingly, and once done correctly ............, it's best to move on.

And on that Supra versus Curious Cable USB comparisons, as the sonics of the Supra so matches what's heard with the Regen as well as 3.0 in my system..........., and more importantly to my ears upon hearing it, I knew within minutes while the latter is reported as being one of the best cables out there bar none, the voicing of my entire system has to be taken into account................, and as it stands, " it's clicking enough " where I can put its purchase on the back burner until after the new year, as it'd merely change the sonics, yet it's not saying it'd be for the best, and im truth there are the rare moments in one quest, where its best to leave well enough along.

" Click, Click " there's no place like home..............., as Dorothy remembers those finer moments from her pass, to which she tried to escape due to misunderstanding just what she had all along .........., therein lies the moral of this story.
 
One for Lee Harvey,

Case in point..........., your B&W P1s with tubes sounds extremely nice to my ears, yet I'm basing it upon this video playing a tune to which Byron and I are both quite fond of using to demo our gear:


Which then goes to show something that took me years to know............, that while both Totem Acoustics and DeVore Fidelity based speakers are offered paired with solid state gear, it's when one has heard them fronted by tubes that one understands their true calling, but as always, this comes down to ones ears as well as budget..............., yet in the end " Synergy " can't be overlooked with trying to hear each component in its best light.

An extremely well balanced system shall always exceed what's possible by merely throwing components together from different ranking systems as based upon what we tend to see in audio magazine, as I'd much rather get out to a decent shop with a wider selection of components and then try to hear mixed or matched components and see which combination then fits my own preferences, as one might be this or that piece away from forming a very very very nicely matched collective whole.

By the way................, I'd easily live with the sound of the tandem in the above video.........., but that's just how I hear it, YMMV.
 
Nice video, Bro! And yes....I love all those CDs as well! Oh....and I've converted them all to DSD128 and they are sent native to the Micro where no up sampling is performed. The sound is outstanding.

I've heard those PM1's a few times. There is a local audio shop that has all the B&W speakers. I've heard them with McIntosh amps....very warm amps. An amp with such a warm flavor requires the opposite speaker for the magic to happen. Good call Bro!

If Lee Harvey had an Airtight amp...all I Would say is ..DAM, DAM, DAM! That's some great stuff! And every bit of $9500 big ones!
 
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Nice video, Bro! And yes....I love all those CDs as well! Oh....and I've converted them all to DSD128 and they are sent native to the Micro where no up sampling is performed. The sound is outstanding.

I've heard those PM1's a few times. There is a local audio shop that has all the B&W speakers. I've heard them with McIntosh amps....very warm amps. An amp with such a warm flavor requires the opposite speaker for the magic to happen. Good call Bro!

If Lee Harvey had an Airtight amp...all I Would say is ..DAM, DAM, DAM! That's some great stuff! And every bit of $9500 big ones!

Thanks little Brotha,

I knew that one would bring a response from you, but I pray that Lee Harvey would know that I'm merely trying to illustrate what he has before him, which might only be crying out for a tube integrated to voice the speakers just a little bit on the richer, creamier side while still having enough detailing to preserve their magical midrange, as the tweeters being of some sort of metal alloy should have a very nice extension up top.

****................, if I had an Airtight, I'd be Damn, Damn, Damning myself with one foot in the grave, but smiling my behind off before leaving, I'd tell you that with a straight face..........., to me their tube ranks up their along side Shindo Lab - Audio Note | Kondo - Luxman ( better gear that will never make it to the states ) and for those with extremely deep pockets.............., Robert Koda just to name a few.

Tubes........., the final frontier, these are the voyages of the starship U.S.S. Enterprise indeed............., now where in the hell is Scotty when one needs to be beamed up?.
 
Boy, that LP takes me back, it was very popular for demos in the 70`s, 80`s and 90`s then it sort of disappeared. I`ll have to check to see if i still have a copy.
 
Boy, that LP takes me back, it was very popular for demos in the 70`s, 80`s and 90`s then it sort of disappeared. I`ll have to check to see if i still have a copy.

Hi Dave,


I've to agree, as I first heard it while stationed in Japan, but didn't get a copy until '89, and still use it as reference demo recording to this very day along with Tsuyoshi Yamamoto Trio - Midnight Sugar, but even the SA-CD versions of these released by FIM were extremely well done if you should need a copy in that format?, as the LP versions go for a nice penny these days, especially the 45 RPM versions.

Memories at there best I'd add, along with Sony CBS - Denon - Baystate - DIW - ECM|Japo - Venus Jazz - Blue Note | King Records - Tact and East Wind the Japanese mastered LPS and CDs along with ones pressed in Hong Kong are some of the most musical ones I've owned | heard in my entire life, whereas I've to give Mapleshade Recordings a big shout out as one if the only domestic recording labels to which I feel sonically can compete with these other two countries.
 
Hi Oscar
I found this one. http://www.musicdirect.com/p-334328-isao-suzuki-quartet-blow-up-limited-edition-gold-cd.aspx I`m just wondering if this HDCD can be ripped to DSD??

Hi Dave,

This one would serve you even better, as it has like 6-7 very very very nice tunes on it, whereas his Blow Up album might've 3 at best depending upon ones taste?:

http://www.elusivedisc.com/The-TBM-Sounds-Ultra-HD-CD/productinfo/LIMUHD048/

And I'm certain it can be ripped as such, but I'm certain Byron can speak on this topic more then I.
 
Im interested in knowing what the Supra cable is like! Any observations yet? I wonder how it compares to that Curious Cable?

I just spotted where you and Lee Harvey were asking about this very same question on CA, where a few of the guys have reported liking both, as well as the Aqvox ( which were in fact on my list as well ) and even a couple of guys whom like the Pangea Silver USB which Lee Harvey presently owns............., so I'm hoping to see what he says?.

Yet I do agree with the one guys statement about the USB cable coming from the iFi or Regen, as well as the one going into the DAC from either is just as vital, as I'm using an 0.7m Supra in said location off the Regen into the iDSD DAC and loving it as opposed to the hard adapter.

Maybe in the new year the Curious Cable shall be obtained after all. As I've heard USB cables upwards of $1.200 which I believed couldn't even touch the Vertere Acoustic D-Fi V2, not along the Supra which to my ears has a very very very well balanced presentation that ones again has a nice sense of musical flow going on with it, once one gets pass the desire for something that offers a more detailed HiFi type sound and wants to have the notes actually wash over their spirit in a very natural and uncolored way as heard via this olde dogs ears.

To date I've to say the very best USB cable that has entered my system was the CAD ( $500|1m ) which offers a sound that many would die for.............., but it's not going to suit everyone's taste, nor budget in much the same way the Supra is capable of drawing you into the music.........., as opposed to sound, I've sold 17 of my friends on it since last week, with 14 of them reporting back to me that they loves it's presentation as well, so let's then see what the other 3 have to say?, including Lee Harvey.

Yet regardless of said findings, like both the Regen | iUSB 3.0 mine is here to stay.............., while a few might be added........., it's not going anywhere, and you've my word on that one, 4 'Sho.
 
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