Why are you getting f-in' upset?
Has something recently changed on AK?
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Why are you getting f-in' upset?
whoaru99
Epic Member
Any new insight into the issue of slow page loads?
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My guess, based on the lack of responses on getting this fixed, is that there is too much money being made somewhere. Just my 2 cents, and I could be way off base.
That and the fact that tech progresses at a great clip and people are unwilling to keep up. Trying to get outdated (doesn’t matter is it’s a year old) OS’s to work
, well we see how that’s working. I do every update that is pushed on all my devices when they pop up, zero problems without any kind of ad blockers or extra filters. The current iOS and current W10. The ad structure is probably going to be what it is. As I always tell my 80yr old pops, keep up or get left behind.
I don't know anything about slow page loads, and haven't seen anyone complaining about that.
SoCal Sam
Lunatic Member
That and the fact that tech progresses at a great clip and people are unwilling to keep up. Trying to get outdated (doesn’t matter is it’s a year old) OS’s to work
The ad structure is probably going to be what it is. As I always tell my 80yr old pops, keep up or get left behind.
We might as well call ourselves Vintagekarma. We like our audio and computers to be old.
Not me. I like to change out my computer and phone every six-12 months. Don't want to get left behind!
SoCal Sam
Lunatic Member
Life is good! Meanwhile, on the other side of the tracks...
imral3
Enjoy the musics!!
SoCal Sam
Lunatic Member
My Win 10 PC started life as a Win 8 (yikes) unit about 7 or 8 years ago. I keep it up to date like @GChief mentioned and also installed 16g of RAM. I guess that helps keep me running smoothly, without any of the issues mentioned, with the addition of a simple ad-blocker program.
Some say 8GB is enough but IME, 16GB is the minimum I would install in a W10 machine. More programs stay in memory and there is less paging to the hard drive. Granted, I am using an old spinner. 8GB could be enough for SSD.
For some folks with higher CPU utilization, network activity, sluggish browser response, and/or slow/repeated page loading...
The new ads get updated each time a certain number of seconds passes. This causes periodic bursts of incoming network traffic to occur, followed by periodic increases in CPU utilization, while the new ad contents get processed and rendered. Apparently, this is set up to be a fairly high priority operation for the AK site. If your available memory is below what is needed, then interactions with memory swap files may be significant, slowing various responses, such as text entry, and other such.
The only reason I know this is because I have on-screen performance monitoring running, on a continuous basis. I do this so I know what is going on (CPU utilization (per core), network traffic (up and down), hard drive activity (read and write), and memory utilization (actual and virtual). I build all of my own PCs, so I generally have quite a bit of performance headroom. Hence I do not otherwise notice some of the performance issues noted by others.
In the above screenshot, my performance monitoring is displayed as a part of my background, on the right edge of the screen. There are 4 (violet) graphs representing CPU utilization for my 4 cores. Note the humps, which represent "user" consumption variations, due to ad updates, the humps indicating well over 90% CPU utilization at times. Note that "kernel" utilization stays relatively uniform (lower of 2 lines per CPU core graph). If you look closely, you can see network activity (graphs with red lines) in sync with humps in CPU utilization. The network traffic humps are hard to see, as I have a significantly high speed connection. You can see them if you look close. In any case, these humps in CPU utilization and network activity disappear immediately upon blocking ad presentation.
Notice the difference in network traffic and CPU utilization with ad presentation blocked:
Considering the demands being placed on my rather well capable PC, by the new dynamic ads, there is no wonder that some folks with less capable devices are having issues to varying degrees.
Some folks have graphics built into their CPUs, rather than on dedicated cards, so some CPU bandwidth is consumed by that, leaving less for other activities. Some, like me, have TV tuners connected via USB, consuming more CPU bandwidth. Some have dedicated amounts of memory being used while running, for various background activities, leaving less available for browsers and such. Some have relatively low bandwidth internet connections, and some are metered/throttled after some monthly threshold is reached. There are other potentially contributing factors.
Personally, I would like to see the cessation of the characterization of folks who voice complaints on this issue as the "regular whiners" on the subject. It is NOT the same small number posting complaints in various threads. I have watched carefully, for many weeks. There are more than a few experiencing performance issues to the degree that they are driven to post about them. Know that there are countless others who are simply putting up with the performance reductions, because they have enough headroom in their devices to be able to tolerate the performance reductions. Many are quietly driven to use ad blockers, so you won't necessarily hear from them. Know that the greatest presentation of ads is for non-member visitors to AK, which are literally legion, throughout the day.
Essentially, there are a lot of variables affecting device and forum performance. Most folks tend to put up with reductions in performance, up to a point, without complaints. If the new ads are being displayed on your device, you ARE experiencing the effects of them. The difference from device to device is in the performance headroom you may have at any particular time. Yes, there could be some operator-related contributions, as well as potential bloat in what folks have running. Just know that, for the most part, issues folks may be noticing are likely due to increased demand being placed on your device resources, due to the new, dynamic ads. This is just the new normal for AK.
The mod staff has no involvement, input, or system access, with this aspect of the forum. This post is for potentially helpful information purposes only. This post is not official information, representing staff or management of AK. It is simply my input, as a fellow member, seeking to provide information that may be of some value...
Rich P
The new ads get updated each time a certain number of seconds passes. This causes periodic bursts of incoming network traffic to occur, followed by periodic increases in CPU utilization, while the new ad contents get processed and rendered. Apparently, this is set up to be a fairly high priority operation for the AK site. If your available memory is below what is needed, then interactions with memory swap files may be significant, slowing various responses, such as text entry, and other such.
The only reason I know this is because I have on-screen performance monitoring running, on a continuous basis. I do this so I know what is going on (CPU utilization (per core), network traffic (up and down), hard drive activity (read and write), and memory utilization (actual and virtual). I build all of my own PCs, so I generally have quite a bit of performance headroom. Hence I do not otherwise notice some of the performance issues noted by others.
In the above screenshot, my performance monitoring is displayed as a part of my background, on the right edge of the screen. There are 4 (violet) graphs representing CPU utilization for my 4 cores. Note the humps, which represent "user" consumption variations, due to ad updates, the humps indicating well over 90% CPU utilization at times. Note that "kernel" utilization stays relatively uniform (lower of 2 lines per CPU core graph). If you look closely, you can see network activity (graphs with red lines) in sync with humps in CPU utilization. The network traffic humps are hard to see, as I have a significantly high speed connection. You can see them if you look close. In any case, these humps in CPU utilization and network activity disappear immediately upon blocking ad presentation.
Notice the difference in network traffic and CPU utilization with ad presentation blocked:
Considering the demands being placed on my rather well capable PC, by the new dynamic ads, there is no wonder that some folks with less capable devices are having issues to varying degrees.
Some folks have graphics built into their CPUs, rather than on dedicated cards, so some CPU bandwidth is consumed by that, leaving less for other activities. Some, like me, have TV tuners connected via USB, consuming more CPU bandwidth. Some have dedicated amounts of memory being used while running, for various background activities, leaving less available for browsers and such. Some have relatively low bandwidth internet connections, and some are metered/throttled after some monthly threshold is reached. There are other potentially contributing factors.
Personally, I would like to see the cessation of the characterization of folks who voice complaints on this issue as the "regular whiners" on the subject. It is NOT the same small number posting complaints in various threads. I have watched carefully, for many weeks. There are more than a few experiencing performance issues to the degree that they are driven to post about them. Know that there are countless others who are simply putting up with the performance reductions, because they have enough headroom in their devices to be able to tolerate the performance reductions. Many are quietly driven to use ad blockers, so you won't necessarily hear from them. Know that the greatest presentation of ads is for non-member visitors to AK, which are literally legion, throughout the day.
Essentially, there are a lot of variables affecting device and forum performance. Most folks tend to put up with reductions in performance, up to a point, without complaints. If the new ads are being displayed on your device, you ARE experiencing the effects of them. The difference from device to device is in the performance headroom you may have at any particular time. Yes, there could be some operator-related contributions, as well as potential bloat in what folks have running. Just know that, for the most part, issues folks may be noticing are likely due to increased demand being placed on your device resources, due to the new, dynamic ads. This is just the new normal for AK.
The mod staff has no involvement, input, or system access, with this aspect of the forum. This post is for potentially helpful information purposes only. This post is not official information, representing staff or management of AK. It is simply my input, as a fellow member, seeking to provide information that may be of some value...
Rich P
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Thanks Rich.
mfrench
Addicted Member
What a load of crap. This just caused me to be chastised by Sarge, because of the computer getting completely locked up, yet again. This is a constant issue with this site now. I'm glad HFH doesn't have this issue. Maybe more time to be spent there? AK needs to fix this bullshit.
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imral3
Enjoy the musics!!
Forgot to mention this is the same PC I use to stream AMHD (album rates ranging from 16/44 to 24/192) while having AK and 4 other tabs open. Just want to point out there are those with problems, and those with none.My Win 10 PC started life as a Win 8 (yikes) unit about 7 or 8 years ago. I keep it up to date like @GChief mentioned and also installed 16g of RAM. I guess that helps keep me running smoothly, without any of the issues mentioned, with the addition of a simple ad-blocker program.
Is your hardware functioning properly and/or current?
OS updated?
What speed do you have with your ISP?
Wi-Fi working well?
Routine steps taken to eliminate issues/problems in this ever evolving digital/computer/internet age we now live in?
Like anything, e.g.,stereo equipment, we must maintain and properly set things up in order to achieve optimal performance.
I hope we all can continue to enjoy AK, especially in the current world state.
Yes, added ads are a pain. If it gets worse, I can do something else to pass the time. I never use a PC to access. Phone and tablet does a lot of flipping up and down when changing pages.
I'm not going to view this on a PC. My use is more casual while sitting in listening chair. A PC sitting on lap isn't going to happen.
I'm not going to view this on a PC. My use is more casual while sitting in listening chair. A PC sitting on lap isn't going to happen.
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Mystic
We're all born mad
Also our geetars and geetar amps.
Mystic
We're all born mad
I need that on my laptop and phone. Is there an "app"?
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