Yeeterkeeter
Kermit the Frog
If it goes in trash, it will come out trash
I Recently Became An Audiophile.
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Yeeterkeeter
Kermit the Frog
Also, I've come to discover that tubes are best enjoyed in moderation. If you go full tube-crazy on your setup (ex; tube phono pre, tube preamp, and then a proper amp) you're going to end up with a lot more distortion than you want. Its better to tube one part of your setup and leave the rest solid state.
Dswankey
Lunatic Member
Not if you set it up correctly
What "proper amp" are you referring to in your analysis?
Yeeterkeeter
Kermit the Frog
Hm. Fair enuff.
A stereo/mono amp designed to power speakers versus a preamp. Admittedly I was a bit vague
Nimbley
Active Member
I don't understand why people say this? You've obviously never heard an all tube system. I have multiple integrated amps from the early 1960's and they sound incredible. With tubes in the entire path.
malden
Lunatic Member
How did you discover this?
There are way too many variables to make generalizations like that
Sam08861
Super Member
I have a receiver with tube tuner, preamp and amp (and phono stage) and it sounds stellar, I think, as do many others, even recent audio publications.
Stop by the Fisher forum and there are similar items from Sherwood, McIntosh, etc.
Stop by the Fisher forum and there are similar items from Sherwood, McIntosh, etc.
Many tube preamps have a mute/delay circuit at turn on (plug it into a manually switched power outage device if no delay) that allow them to be (safely) used with a dc coupled ss amps.
Not really the tube preamp's fault.
maxhifi
Addicted Member
I'd say a tube preamp which requires an external device in order to be safely used with a DC coupled amp is at fault, unless this issue is clearly identified in the owner's manual. I'm certainly not condemning all tube amps, or suggesting this issue has no solution, just identifying that this warm up DC pulse is a problem one can face with certain tube preamps.
Speaker and amplifiers designs vary, with a given combination bass can be better, worse, or just different.
I had a 15 watt PSE tube amp that showed a couple of 100 watt ss amps the door with hard to drive dual 10 woofer speakers and with speakers that are designed to be favorably used with tube amps the bass can sound too lean with some ss amps.
Yeeterkeeter
Kermit the Frog
Dswankey
Lunatic Member
He's probably just parroting something he read online, if not hopefully he'll stop back and explain where he came up with that or if he has actually listened to an all tube system he can explain how long he listened to it to come up with his "discovery"
Yeeterkeeter
Kermit the Frog
Look what just arrived! Yippie!
Condolences! But congrats too.
Depends on your ears, your age, and your wallet. Until you listen to a few different combinations, it will be very hard to judge. I'm enjoying a combo of vintage solid state and some modern components (vintage pre-amps and power amps, modern amps, and both vintage and modern speakers.) Can also be very dependent on the space your are trying to fill. Enjoy the journey....
Condorsat
Audio Enthusiast
Interesting point. I'm getting a new CD spinner for the Holidays for my living room rig. That's means my old Ah! Njoe Tjoeb 4000 CD player (tubed output stage) is going to the my media room headphone rig. For a good many years I've been running an OG Schiit Vali (microtube) headphone amp with an old Cambridge Audio CD player (solid state) in my media room headphone rig. So I put the old CA in the closet and hooked up the 4000 to the Vali ..
too muddy .. that combo did not work out.I figured tube amp w/ tubed output stage CD spinner would be cool beans but
. I had an old spare OG Schiit Magni in storage and hooked that up instead .. 
.. now we're cooking with gas. Was not expecting that. Previously I always preferred the sound of OG Vali to OG Magni on my headphone rig CD spinner.Note: Just my experience with audio equipment I have on hand at this time.
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Yeeterkeeter
Kermit the Frog
Overall impressions are really good so far. Ignore the tubes in the background
Also @Mr Boochie thank you so much for introducing me to Schiit audio. one of my best audio purchases so far
Yeeterkeeter
Kermit the Frog
First impressions of the Schiit Vali (using Beyerdynamic dt990 headphones)
I would give this amp an 8.5 out of 10, with the default tube. Everything is crisp and clear, except for the bass control, which I find a bit fuzzy and sloppy. This can be rectified if I use my HK-235 as a preamp. Doing this also helps with the background noise, and provides extra settings for me. It is a gratifying listening experience, and I look forward to listening to more music on the Vali.
I would give this amp an 8.5 out of 10, with the default tube. Everything is crisp and clear, except for the bass control, which I find a bit fuzzy and sloppy. This can be rectified if I use my HK-235 as a preamp. Doing this also helps with the background noise, and provides extra settings for me. It is a gratifying listening experience, and I look forward to listening to more music on the Vali.
Yeeterkeeter
Kermit the Frog
Well, I got some bad news... The doukmall amp broke. This is unfortunate
Yeeterkeeter
Kermit the Frog
When I say broke, I mean that it makes a really loud buzzing noise when I switch it over to the Phono input. I tried the turntable on the internal amplifier, and there is no noise like that. I also checked, and the tubes seem fine as well. Oh well, I guess I ought to find another phono amp that uses 5670 tubes.
malden
Lunatic Member
have you wiggled the RCA or ground connections to see if the problem goes away?
