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Is Rock and Roll Dead???

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JohnVF said:
Nice :music: Where's the little dove flying away? Needs that extra touch.

Nah, it's just time for stadium rock to die. It was never that good anyway, beyond a few bands.
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It's funny. Somewhere I still have a copy of Musician magazine from 1982 or so which featured the then up and coming band, U2.

In the interview, Bono rants about the (I am paraphrasing) "Punk Rock ethos of seperation of stage and audience being dead."

He goes on to thump his chest and proclaim, "I will never play a big venue."

Yea well....famous last words and all that. They are one of the few who can fill up a big venue these days.

Personally, I too prefer the small club or theater gig. I would think most people do. However, what the Market will bear is just that.
 
jaguar06 said:
Regardless of my personal strong likes and dislikes, I agree with that. It's much the same for many art forms. If it pleases someone, entertains them, or makes them think, who am I to care what floats their boat?

Nevertheless, one can enjoy a good bit of critical writing, good or bad, and maybe gain some perspective from it.
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I get that, and I like reading different people's reviews of certain works. I've just read enough negative reviews of things I've actually like to question the worth of it, for me anyway. But I really like "Horses", so I must not know anything. Like you said, if I enjoy it, who's to say I don't? It's when rock gains the pretense of "serious art form" that it falls flattest on its face, to my thinking. It's supposed to be a reaction against that type of thinking.
 
JohnVF said:
Music critics have no more say on what's good than anybody else, in an art form like rock and roll.
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Which is why I have never understood why some people get so upset if you tell them you don't care for a particular band. I listened to a Marketts album last night and I am sure a lot of people would rip me for it, but heck I don't care, I still like it, and I would completely understand their opinion.
 
JohnVF said:
Nice :music: Where's the little dove flying away? Needs that extra touch.
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That reminds me of one of my favorites of all time, "It's a Beautiful Day", by Dave and Linda LaFlamme, though "White Bird" was maybe my least favorite cut on the whole thing.

I wish I'd seen them at Carnegie Hall a few years ago when they did that. The live recording is wonderful.

White bird,
in a golden cage,
on a winter's day,
in the rain.

White bird,
in a golden cage,
alone.

The leaves blow,
Across the long black road.
To the darkened skies,
in its rage

But the white bird just sits in her cage,
unknown.

White bird must fly
Or she will die

White bird,
dreams of the aspen trees,
with their dying leaves,
turning gold.

But the white bird just sits in her cage,
growing old.

White bird must fly or she will die.
[ From: http://www.elyrics.net]
White bird must fly or she will die.

The sunsets come, the sunsets go.
The clouds roll by,and the earth turns old.
And the young bird's eyes do always glow.

She must fly,
She must fly,
She must fly.

White bird,
In a golden cage,
On a winter's day, in the rain.

White bird,
In a golden cage alone.

White bird must fly or she will die.
White bird must fly or she will die.
White bird must fly or she will die.

Actually, it's not that bad. :D
 
jaguar06 said:
That reminds me of one of my favorites of all time, "It's a Beautiful Day", by Dave and Linda LaFlamme, though "White Bird" was maybe my least favorite cut on the whole thing.

I wish I'd seen them at Carnegie Hall a few years ago when they did that. The live recording is wonderful.

White bird,
in a golden cage,
on a winter's day,
in the rain.

White bird,
in a golden cage,
alone.

The leaves blow,
Across the long black road.
To the darkened skies,
in its rage

But the white bird just sits in her cage,
unknown.

White bird must fly
Or she will die

White bird,
dreams of the aspen trees,
with their dying leaves,
turning gold.

But the white bird just sits in her cage,
growing old.

White bird must fly or she will die.
[ From: http://www.elyrics.net]
White bird must fly or she will die.

The sunsets come, the sunsets go.
The clouds roll by,and the earth turns old.
And the young bird's eyes do always glow.

She must fly,
She must fly,
She must fly.

White bird,
In a golden cage,
On a winter's day, in the rain.

White bird,
In a golden cage alone.

White bird must fly or she will die.
White bird must fly or she will die.
White bird must fly or she will die.

Actually, it's not that bad. :D
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Can you say 'aged badly'? I had this too...but that was long ago...
 
" It's when rock gains the pretense of "serious art form" that it falls flattest on its face, to my thinking."

Bingo............Which is why the punk rock group "Cleveland Bound Death Sentence" have the best name in Rock and Roll.
 
Theo Simon said:
Yeah, punk was supposed to be a reaction to stadium rock. But it was just bad music. Amateurish noise.
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An entire genre dismissed, just like that.

Punk was a return to Rock and Roll roots and IMO it was high time. I don't think someone who loves early Rock and Roll would just dismiss punk. Seeing the Ramones (a band which was very tight and professional) in 1977 was kind'a like seeing Elvis, Scotty, Bill and DJ in 1956.

I was a bouncer for Jam Productions in Chicago back then and between working and getting into shows for free I saw damned near everybody that came through town. And seeing the Ramones for the first time, at the Aragon, was a ****ing epiphany. With all that happened musically in the 70s about all I still listen to regularly are The Ramones, Thin Lizzy and a little Mountain and UFO.
 
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Tom Brennan said:
An entire genre dismissed, just like that.

Punk was a return to Rock and Roll roots and IMO it was high time. I don't think someone who loves early Rock and Roll would just dismiss punk. Seeing the Ramones (a band which was very tight and professional) in 1977 was kind'a like seeing Elvis, Scotty, Bill and DJ in 1956.

I was a bouncer for Jam Productions in Chicago back then and between working and getting into shows for free I saw damned near everybody that came through town. And seeing the Ramones for the first time, at the Aragon, was a ****ing epiphany. With all that happened musically in the 70s about all I still listen to regularly are The Ramones, Thin Lizzy and a little Mountain and UFO.
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I was referring to British acts such as the Clash or the Sex Pistols. Punk was British. Don't know these Ramones you speak of.
 
Tom Brennan said:
... I don't think someone who loves early Rock and Roll would just dismiss punk. Seeing the Ramones (a band which was very tight and professional) in 1977 was kind'a like seeing Elvis, Scotty, Bill and DJ in 1956.
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I saw Elvis in '77, about three weeks before his death. Had the worst and most expensive meal of my life (served cold, hours late) while watching the waiters worship "The King of Rock 'N' Roll" at the next table. It was the only time in my life I took *two* women out at the same time, and the only time I went intentionally to the most expensive place in town.

"Thank you, thank you very much", Elvis.

(But I'd write a whole thesis on why he was never the "King", even in '56.)
 
halftime said:
Well then feel free to keep commenting on something you obviously know nothing about and don't understand.
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I have seen an album of theirs. That's all I know of them. But Punk was British. A raw sort of rock has always been around in the US.
 
jaguar06 said:
I've made that argument myself way back when.

At least Chuck got a spot on Voyager's little gold record (that's just now departing the outer envelope of our solar system).
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Chuck Berry's lyrics are really clever although simple. The guy was a genius............
 
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