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Is Rock and Roll Dead???

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That "Dumb ways to die" song that went around like wildfire a week ago fits it, too. Youtube is the wacky FM of today.
 
nashvillebill said:
Now, in 2012, I don't hear of major venues being sold out by modern bands. The heyday of stadium/arena rock was the 70's.
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Umm.. I had to join the Taylor Swift fan club (to get a presale code to stand a chance of buying tickets for my kid) to her show in Toronto.

She sold out Rogers Center for two nights... that's a 55000 seat stadium (probably 30000 as a concert venue).

It happens. Cold Play was another band that sold out in minutes. It happens all the time in my town. Good shows are hard to get into. I payed $75 a ticket to see George Benson perform in a tent, where the lawn chairs were pushed together so tight, that we had to exchange numbers with our seat mates.
 
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"Is Rock and Roll dead?" begs the question 'What, exactly, is it?'
The sound may be different for everyone, but think guitar-bass-drum to get to the root.
Many fine bands today exemplify this and expand on it without losing sight of the roots.
Somebody mentioned Train - saw them several times in the Bay Area and when they did Led Zep songs they did them better than those 70s stoners. And yes I saw them, always high and acting so impressed with their improvising...8-)
In the 70s The Jam took it to the max, and the grunge out of the 80s has some fine moments. The 90s and first decade saw a big jump in this type of 'combo' and I bought many CDs with some real basic fun-in-the-studio R'n'R.
Somebody said Floyd isn't a R'n'R band; how true! DSotM is a Jazz album!
So is Atom Heart Mother and Meddle.
The Wall is - well, The Wall.
Love music and love discussing it.
Peace out...
 
From what energy starved music of the genre in question, I've sampled from the last twenty years, rock's proverbial lips are turning blue.
 

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kneeOhFight said:
Genesis embraced the notion with The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway. They celebrated it.
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Wow, I just learned something new from this thread!

Cool!


JohnVF said:
For all of our bluster we'd probably have a good time sitting down listening to records.

I'm listening to Eno's "Here come the warm jets" right now, and its way more interesting to me than Cream's output. But I also admit that its probably to odd to fill a stadium. I'm ok with that. But this album just fits "me". If I knew WAY more about music, and making music, and studio craft, its what I would want to do.

I don't want to play guitar like Clapton. I want to make an Eno album.
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I knew there was a reason I liked you, other than your Sad Bastard music suggestions!
 
Interesting thread. Lots of ideas to take in all at once.

I've recently read a couple of books about the music industry: Fortune's Fool: Edgar Bronfman, Jr., Warner Music, and an Industry in Crisis by Fred Goodman, and Appetite for Self-Destruction: The Spectacular Crash of the Record Industry in the Digital Age by Steve Knopper. Someone upthread mentioned Napster, and that it created a paradigm shift in how people consumed music. The flip side of that is, it also changed everything for the major record labels. Not only were music consumers able to steal all the recorded music they wanted, but they felt entitled to free music.

Without the old model of the major record label breaking a band into the big time, how will it happen now? Sure, anyone can release their music on their own on the internet, but will a viral YouTube video be able to launch a long-term career? Has any band broken big from a major label "360 deal" where the young band signs away part of their touring and merchandising to the major label, in return for old-school label promotion?

With all the upheaval in the industry, and with the current cycle still running toward teen pop, there really are not any answers right now. Rock and Roll may not be dead, but it sure does smell bad these days.
 
SA-708 said:
Interesting thread. Lots of ideas to take in all at once.

I've recently read a couple of books about the music industry: Fortune's Fool: Edgar Bronfman, Jr., Warner Music, and an Industry in Crisis by Fred Goodman, and Appetite for Self-Destruction: The Spectacular Crash of the Record Industry in the Digital Age by Steve Knopper. Someone upthread mentioned Napster, and that it created a paradigm shift in how people consumed music. The flip side of that is, it also changed everything for the major record labels. Not only were music consumers able to steal all the recorded music they wanted, but they felt entitled to free music.

Without the old model of the major record label breaking a band into the big time, how will it happen now? Sure, anyone can release their music on their own on the internet, but will a viral YouTube video be able to launch a long-term career? Has any band broken big from a major label "360 deal" where the young band signs away part of their touring and merchandising to the major label, in return for old-school label promotion?

With all the upheaval in the industry, and with the current cycle still running toward teen pop, there really are not any answers right now. Rock and Roll may not be dead, but it sure does smell bad these days.
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Another good point to consider.:thmbsp:

The "what can a poor boy do except play for a rock & roll band" notion is under threat.
 
grillebilly said:
For those who think Muse is carrying the torch of rock's supergroups....they were on SNL last night. I didn't see any favorable comparison whatsoever :no:
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I never heard of Muse before last night on SNL but from what I saw, I'm highly impressed. A simple song with simple insturmentation that was perfectly executed.
 
"The most surprising thing to me in this thread is that Muse is such a big band."

"For those who think Muse is carrying the torch of rock's supergroups....they were on SNL last night. I didn't see any favorable comparison whatsoever"


The most surprising thing to me is someone still watches SNL............
 
I think halftime is a just a troller looking to get a rise out of some old timers. Anyone looking for some Sex, Drugs and Rock & Roll music check out The Hold Steady. They sound like a bar band and won't be around 50 years but Rock & Roll isn't usally about longevety.
 
It was not my intention to make this thread into a debate about Muse. Whether their music turns your crank or not, is immaterial to the point of the thread, namely that big stadium rock is dead; and their mention was merely a refutation of that notion as an example if successful and thriving big stadium rock. Now, if anyone cares to opine as to whether the music they play is rock - that's a different thing. In my opinion one can easily draw a direct line from The Who to U2 to Muse as an example of the evolution of big stadium rock. That's pretty much it. Personally, (and I agree with halftime on the subject of SNL) I googled that SNL performance and thought it was well done and good song. No theatrics, just performance.
 
eddantes said:
It was not my intention to make this thread into a debate about Muse. Whether their music turns your crank or not, is immaterial to the point of the thread, namely that big stadium rock is dead; and their mention was merely a refutation of that notion as an example if successful and thriving big stadium rock. Now, if anyone cares to opine as to whether the music they play is rock - that's a different thing. In my opinion one can easily draw a direct line from The Who to U2 to Muse as an example of the evolution of big stadium rock. That's pretty much it. Personally, (and I agree with halftime on the subject of SNL) I googled that SNL performance and thought it was well done and good song. No theatrics, just performance.
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It was also not my intention to degrade their performance or question their talents. Most of us realize music is a personal preference. There is never agreement on what good music is. IMO I didn't see anything special that would separate the SNL performance from any other indie band that plays the clubs around town. I see lots of bands, probably average 40 per year. But like I said, that's me.
One may consider the theatrics part of the show of bands such as The Who, Stones or U2. Personally, I never got into the stage show antics of bands. Come out and play, some banter is cool, but all the showmanship turns me off.
I apologize if my comments are considered an affront to anyone's taste in music.
 
grillebilly said:
It was also not my intention to degrade their performance or question their talents. Most of us realize music is a personal preference. There is never agreement on what good music is. IMO I didn't see anything special that would separate the SNL performance from any other indie band that plays the clubs around town. I see lots of bands, probably average 40 per year. But like I said, that's me.
One may consider the theatrics part of the show of bands such as The Who, Stones or U2. Personally, I never got into the stage show antics of bands. Come out and play, some banter is cool, but all the showmanship turns me off.
I apologize if my comments are considered an affront to anyone's taste in music.
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Sorry man... my post wasn't intentioned to illicit this. It's all cool :) I knew where you you're coming from :)
 
It is as we knew it.I am fortunate to have been in my listening prime for a good part of it.Nothing lasts forever so it doesn't surprise about the anemic state of rock music now.Kid Rock?I still don't get the appeal of him.
 
Andyman said:
Driving into work this morning, I'm listening to "Exile on Main Street" and the thought about The Stones being "The World's Greatest Rock and Roll Band" back then, when I wondered who would hold that title today?

The more I thought about it, I couldn't come up with an answer. I tossed out any band from my time, as they/we're all dinosaurs now, and wondered who the modern day Beatles/Stones/Zeppelin/Who are? Who sells out stadium shows and is in the news all the time?

I can't think of anybody. Well, at least not rockers. Justin Bieber, it a teeny bopper of the hour, rappers like Eminem and Jay-Z aren't really rockers, Kid Rock is pretty big I think, but I'm in Detroit so he may be overblown. And the Foo Fighters rock, but aren't they older and basically Nirvana redux?? My girls in college listen to some bands, but the ones that may rock aren't huge names.

Are they any bands out there with members in their 20s that would be considered major rockers? Guys that can fill concert halls and dominate the airwaves??

I'm coming up blank here guys..:dunno:
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You may find this book interesting:

Kill Your Idols: A New Generation of Rock Writers Reconsiders the Classics

In it, a number of 'music critics' examine the so-called 'great records' and.....well you should just read for yourself.

A lot of what used to be considered good rock, when examined critically, fails to measure up.
 
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