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JBL 4367 experience?

Well, it looks like you went for them after all! :banana:
One personal correction I'll make, was I said the 4367 didn't have L-Pads, they do have them.

You do look pressed for space. I don't think you'd ever find me placing an amp on top of any speaker though, especially a new unboxed pair, but that's just me.

I jokingly thought I could help you make some space by taking the L-300's off your hands. Not sure what I would do with them though? I'd maybe be in the same boat, where can I set them up? They aren't exactly what one could call "mini-monitors". LOL
 
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Really not pressed for space, just that I tend to put everything on the shortest wall in my favorite listening space where I can see the lake or sit by the fire while I listen. It's all about the experience.

The tube amps are there for added mass to the speaker (wink wink). I'll be sure that there is not a mark though and the 1" panel can certainly handle the load.

Eventually there'll be an MC75 next to each speaker.

No L-Pads, the trimmers are 5-position switches. The (charge coupled x4) crossover networks are designed with the same number of components in-circuit regardless of the position and L-Pads are IMO just phase-distortion. Thank you again Greg for great work even if you weren't around to see them make it to market.
 
Congrats Jeff
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We need a shootout! 19's L300's and the new ones!

I can give my non-scientific comparison having lived with two of these pair for some time. Note however that I'm comparing three great speaker systems, two from the early '80s and one from today (which likely need more break-in as they've only been drinking from the McIntosh well for about 3 hours). Comparisons therefore are less about shortcomings and more about differences perceived.

The L300As: Wonderful highs, spacious sounding, very good soundstage and excellent dynamics. The strongest point however is the quantity and smoothness of the bass. Go lower than the 4367s and the Nineteens and are tighter than the Nineteens. Horns compare well to the other speakers. Dynamics when seeing the needles hit 250W are so clean on any music, well done JBL! 93dB sensitivity.

Model Nineteens. These seem to beat the L300s in low volume, the slightest sounds show up even when playing quietly. Voices, horns, strings, everything is so involving and all of the subtleties come through from the spit in a horn to the ring of a wooden drumstick. Whether the huge soundstage is all real or not is hard to tell but these are the most amazing sounding non-dipole HF I know. They are also extremely sensitive and need flea-power for a lot of my listening, I've peeked over at the meters during a listening / reading session and see them at 45mW. The downside (strictly in comparison to the JBLs) is that the bass doesn't go as low (34Hz?) and isn't as tight. The most warm and inviting sound of any speaker I've ever owned.104dB sensitivity.

4367s? I had to choose yesterday between these and a new pair of S4700s. I really want 2-way speakers and at one point was seriously considering new M2s, got a price quote and was okay with that but didn't want to run Crown amps (before Mark Levinson amps were approved & calibrated for the job). The S4700s are great speakers I'm sure, but I don't really want a supertweeter and the main downside to me is the rear port, I don't want to give up more space putting speakers far from the back wall where the 4367s are designed to be able to place them near a back wall (as a monitor should be designed) with a front port. Going a big step up to the dual-woofer models is not in the budget.

So far the 4367s do everything well. My son was DJing last night for a while, he has excellent ears as he is young and a musician. We played everything from Telarc jazz/classical to my alternative favorites (which I use for comparisons), and of course my son's accoustic and electronic selections. Mostly fairly high SPLs seeing the meters peak above the 45W mark (94dB sensitivity anechoic). Today they're just playing at conversation level (which was the Nineteens' strength) with the needles dancing around the 45mW mark.

No room correction, playing flat. So far they give up nothing. I wanted the involving detail of the 811B in the altecs with the tighter-lower bass of the 2235Hs in the L300As. I believe that I got a little of both. The bass is not as low as the Summits (at least not yet with low-hours) but it is very tight. The horns don't seem to involve me as much as the Nineteens, but that might be a more accurate horn? Hard to tell.

In both comparisons / goals I'm very happy with how they sound. The soundstage and imaging are excellent, and I haven't even done the twist and move adjustment dance yet, it seems that the placement is super simple with these (as with the Nineteens). Are they what I wanted to replace the JBLS and Altecs? I will say yes (and prove it on BT!). Are they worth the price of a nice used car (or a few new ones)? I will say that there are used cars out there that aren't worth it but speakers seem to cost what they do so I'm satisfied. Still, if it were easy to have both the Summits and the Nineteens in the room at the same time and swap at the flip of a switch, I would never have looked as its pretty hard to justify spending more for one pair than two excellent pair are worth. The goal is however to have one system that I like as well as everything else I own / have owned, and I believe I'm there.

Model Nineteens = most involving and detailed mids and highs, most sensitive.
Summits = best & lowest bass
4367s = tightest bass, best LF-HF integration with no audible crossover point and pretty much the best of the above in one package. Downside = price.
 
First off and as we all know, I'm no Greg Timbers. LOL
I'm not going to plagiarize papers coromments about all the technical attributes of the 4367, and what some say.

The "Trimmers" as they are called I gather serve a similar function as an L-Pad, but probably a more modern and much better electronical way of going about it.

I know tuning and enclosure has effect, but. Just from my own experiences, and with JBL Bass Drivers over the many years, it seems in many cases the Drivers that had the ability to produce deeper low frequencies all seemed to have Foam Roll Suspension instead of doped Paper-etc.

I think JBL knew early on, there had to be a sacrifice-trade off with cone suspension materials.

Lower registers, and replace cones or foams every 8-10 years? I'd imagine such wasn't too loved in the professional community to see speakers fall apart and not from any mistakes on their part.

Yes, I might suspect the Bass Drivers in the 4367 to fill out a little bit, and bass will sound better with some time and play. I would suspect dispersion of the 4367 to be superb.

Another thing about the 4367 versus your L-300A, the Bass Driver is mounted higher in the Enclosure. That can have some effect. And I'd likely think a positive effect for overall Bass Performance. Just my opinion. I know the 2216nd-1 is a quite costly driver.

Of course if you want pictures falling off the walls, that is easy enough to accomplish today. LOL
Subs.
 
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It’s not really the traditional “dope”, and it’s certainly not paper. Our 4645B Professional subwoofers have pleated surrounds IIRC, ... certainly go lower than any consumer speakers.

JBL has used accordion rolls/surrounds on many of their pro drivers over the years, especially those that need more excursion. The surround is designed as part of the entire driver, not as an afterthought and was determined to be the best choice for their TOTL M2 monitor, ... should be good enough for the 4347 also.

The spec is to 30Hz, but that’s anechoic, many home-audio speakers rated lower are using room response, which will of course increase the LF. I’m sure that once broken in (manual says weeks) I’ll measure the in-room response and RMC it / EQ it, will likely see useable response a bit lower but am reserving that until data is in my view.
 
Thanks for that mark51.
I had specifically ordered a pair of New 2216nd-1's, for my 3 way EN5's. The Pic's clearly showed ND-1's
but received the plain 2216nd's.
they were NOS, But I sent them back for a full refund .
 
Thanks for that mark51.
I had specifically ordered a pair of New 2216nd-1's, for my 3 way EN5's. The Pic's clearly showed ND-1's
but received the plain 2216nd's.
they were NOS, But I sent them back for a full refund .

Sure, for a second or two, the idea briefly entered my head about buying and dropping a pair into my 4430's, but know there's a lot more to it than just that, and figured to not open that can of worms
 
I thought about buying a pair of NDs, thinking I could try some updates but eventually decided to just buy new speakers.

Yes the ND-1s as noted by markd51. I believe that the white paper talks about some added mass as well as a suspension that should break in easier.
 
Just for Giggles, JBL uses Alnico woofers for the DD6700
Although I’m sure quit unobtainable
 
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I thought about buying a pair of NDs, thinking I could try some updates but eventually decided to just buy new speakers.

Yes the ND-1s as noted by markd51. I believe that the white paper talks about some added mass as well as a suspension that should break in easier.

I think the same way. Although many modify many JBL Speakers, and hey it's cool. If I found a pair of trashed L-200's, L-300's sitting by the curb with no drivers, etc, then that might make the job of playing a little easier.

I was once between a rock and a hard place with my 4 Jubals at one time. No doubt from getting stupid with the volume dial. Fried 2 Crossovers, and 2 drivers, a 077 Tweet in one, and a LE5-5 Mid in another.

While I wasn't thinking too clear at the time, and probably could've combed ebay for the correct Crossovers from some parted out Speaker, and gotten what I needed given enough time , I decided to call Madisound.

After fax'ing them the X-Over Schematic, no problemo, now what do you want as far as parts, we can do this, this, and this. And I said OK! For a fair price, I got 4 X-Overs that I wanted to place on a Fireplace Mantle, and about 4 or so lbs each, massive!

But unlike the originals, they had Air Core Inductors. Looked as pretty as those X-Overs in the 4367, works of electronic art. Went with all new L-Pads too, and Edison Price Solid Copper Binding Posts. Knowing there would never then be a Speaker Cable I couldn't use.. Everything done up with WBT Solder where required.

I felt I was doing some things that could've been done by JBL, but weren't, much better quality Internal wiring for one.

The 2 Drivers were repaired with the correct parts, and I then had all 4 126A Bass Drivers Reconed before the rebuild.

They sounded fantastic, as good as I ever remembered them sounding from day 1. Really clean sounding. I "squeezed" some goodness from this design without going apeshit with charge coupled crossovers, different drivers and the like.

A friend asked me how much for them about 6 months ago. I told him $5K for all 4 Jubals. And yeah, they are super clean. And all is there including boxes and manuals.

But the one moral of this story is that I sort of wish on one hand that I hadn't modified them. Perhaps because of effecting their value. I figured though I was never likely going to sell them anyway, so why worry about such?
 
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I know with many speakers, and in particular JBL. It's always a good idea to periodically check those Driver Attachment Screws. And without running a Screwdriver through the Cone!

And yep, one of my good friends did exactly that, with a brand new from the Box JBL 15" K145 Bass Driver! What a beautiful speaker, with that huge Frame. Dayum.

He was putting that Speaker in an Ampeg B-15N Bass Amp I sold him.

When I seen the tragedy, I witnessed a K145 like you shot it, a "Tomahawked" Front Baffle and Ace Hardware Wood Screws for the Speaker! Damn!
I then helped him get it right, T-Nuts, properly enlarge the front Baffle to accept that driver in a Surface Mount Configuration.

Sorry for veering off, just some fun stories, and the "day in the life of JBL". LOL
 
I know many of you folks here are smarter than I. Due to my realized relative knowledge in my older age, I like to keep things simple, and understandable to the average Joe.

I'll say that you're going to have gobs of fun pairing good speakers with various Amps, PreAmps, Source Components, on and on.

As days pass, I'm sure you'll fiddle with other equipment teamed to those 4367 Beauties. Wish I was there to hear the fruits of your labors.
 
If the 2216nd-1 was like this, I've buy a couple, or maybe 8! $99.95!

I remember once walking into one guy's house whom I never met before.
He had a Car Audio Deck wired to a 12V Converter, pumping it out into some huge Sansui Floorstanders, and was blowing our brains out. LOL

Yeah I thought, "man, what audio on the cheap", but I was in a good mood and diggin the tunes. I've heard much worse!

 
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@markd51 Hey from another 'sconnie!
I have ND1s in my 'original' L200s, see:
https://audiokarma.org/forums/index...l-2216-le15b-vs-jbl-2216nd-1-in-l200s.830641/
I'm still using N8000 xovers for the horn and 077s, but am considering going 3 ways.
Hadn't thought of Madisound for passive xovers - interesting idea, and 'local'.
(I've upgraded to OktoDAC 7.1 and Hypex amps for the JBLs, but have the Venu360 doing xover duty between them, so it's a weak link, and am considering other xover options.)
The ND1s are smooth as butter down to 22hz or so, but have not compared them with NDs (yet - hope to someday - Scott??:).
I think I saw recently that the -1s are NLA?
Will fire up REW again a bit later this winter, but getting a bit too 'old' for fussing about much - the system is pretty much a killer as it sits.
(Room EQ'd via Venu's Wizard.)
 
Iv'e always said JBL's only sound better played Loud!
at low levels, Just another speaker.
Few speaker can play Turned up to Live concert levels, without loosing their ****.
Overpowering a Room becomes a Reality.
 
Totally agreed on the M19 impression - "most involving and detailed mids and highs, most sensitive." They stayed while the following pairs were gone.
JBL XPL-200A with active crossover (This guy kicked out the L300 and 4341)
Tannoy GRF 15" Gold
and more
But I indeed added a pair of JBL B460 clones for the low registry (actively crossed at 80Hz)
 
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Going through the lonely Lansing room tonight, I know I committed to sell it all and have just one system, ... but they all have so many great qualities and great memories. The L300As sold in less than a day, the 19s in less than 5 minutes.

I’d lobby to keep just one other pair but that has been the problem all along: the 19s or 300As? And, ... they’re SO LARGE that I can’t exactly smuggle them into a closet where they won’t be noticed. Even my ESSs still sound great, hearing them pump out the music with the needles touching the 450W mark playing Heart Like A Drum, ...

Good problem to have I guess.
 
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