JBL L250Ti ?

[juniorJBL]

An L100T -T3 is a fun speaker but in no way does it compare to a 250. As dnewman said it may be to close distance wise but the 250 will still be the better speaker. :yes:

 

[ofery]

Thank you all !!! - I decided to buy the 250Ti.

Regards /Ofer

 

[awise1961]

Great choice!
You won't be sorry.
I love mine and would not part with them.
With that said, I found early on that it took power for them to really open up.
My AES Superamp MKII wired in triode (20 watts/channel) sounded nice, but my Bob Latino M125 tube monoblocks (clip at 170 watts each) really make the250ti's sing. My big beast of a Rotel RB-1090 (380 watts/channel at 8 ohms, 700 watts/channel at 4 ohms) works well also, but that is matched up with my Legacy Audio Classics. Those definitely need more power than the 250ti's to sound their best.


Al. Wise

 

[dnewma04]

That all depends on the distance, the music, and the listening level. If he never listens at a level that sends the amp into clipping, he'll never hear a difference by adding power.

 

[awise1961]

That all depends on the distance, the music, and the listening level. If he never listens at a level that sends the amp into clipping, he'll never hear a difference by adding power.

I'll respectfully disagree.
I do not listen to my music loud, let alone near clipping.
My experience is that my more powerful amps allow more detail and finess to come through at even the lower levels. Added bass punch is there as well.
Now, it may indeed not be the watts of power, but the extra current that is available which is causing this.

Al. Wise

 

[Cactus Bob]

Thank you all !!! - I decided to buy the 250Ti.

Regards /Ofer

Congrats! You'll love them with any amp. I have a pair and run big power but I think in your instance you'll be fine with your Mc2505. The detail of these speakers are amazing!

Please post a picture of your 250ti's when you bring them home! :thmbsp:

 

[dnewma04]

I'll respectfully disagree.
I do not listen to my music loud, let alone near clipping.
My experience is that my more powerful amps allow more detail and finess to come through at even the lower levels. Added bass punch is there as well.
Now, it may indeed not be the watts of power, but the extra current that is available which is causing this.

Al. Wise

I have some speakers that I listen to at about an average of 1w power, they are relatively low sensitivity speakers. On one particular CD that I own, I'd need almost 1000w to avoid clipping when listening at a moderate average volume.

 

[89grand]

It shouldn't matter much power an amp can put out, if you're listening at levels that require no more than 10 watts, a 1000 watt amp will deliver no more current at that level than a 50 watt would.

If one amp has more bass punch etc, then it's probably putting out more power, which means it's playing louder even if you consider them both playing at low levels.

 

[dnewma04]

Sorry, I wrote 1000w but meant 100w.

 

[jblnut]

It shouldn't matter much power an amp can put out, if you're listening at levels that require no more than 10 watts, a 1000 watt amp will deliver no more current at that level than a 50 watt would.

If one amp has more bass punch etc, then it's probably putting out more power, which means it's playing louder even if you consider them both playing at low levels.

You'd like to think that in a perfect world, that would be true. But I (and other 250Ti owners) are here to tell you that - even at low levels - the 1000w amp is not going to sound the same as the 50w model. You can debate this all you like, but the 250 just needs a lot of current to get those cones moving properly. I have tried all manner of amps with these speakers over the last 10 years and I was never (ever) happy with anything less than 250w on the bass drivers. This is at all volume levels, not just "blow out the windows" loud.

jblnut

 

[dnewma04]

I've owned JBL 250TIs. I won't go as far as to say BS, but if it demands more current, it's using more power. What's wrong with just saying that at your listening levels, listening distance, and music, that a 25 or 50w amp wasn't enough? There is no sorcery or magic going on, it's just a little bit of math.

 

[89grand]

You'd like to think that in a perfect world, that would be true. But I (and other 250Ti owners) are here to tell you that - even at low levels - the 1000w amp is not going to sound the same as the 50w model. You can debate this all you like, but the 250 just needs a lot of current to get those cones moving properly. I have tried all manner of amps with these speakers over the last 10 years and I was never (ever) happy with anything less than 250w on the bass drivers. This is at all volume levels, not just "blow out the windows" loud.

jblnut

I'm not trying to argue or debate with you. I'm just simply stating mathematical fact, so please don't look at this as an argument or anything.

No amplifier can put out more current than another at the same power level and same impedance. It'd be like saying 2+2 = 4 with some amps, but 2+6 = 4 with others, with the first 2 representing the wall voltage (120) the second 2 being the current, and the total being the output power. If one amp is producing more current than another, then it has to be producing more.

With that said, I'm not suggesting a 50 watt is big enough, I'm sure it isn't for many people with those speakers. I use a 200 wpc amp on speakers that are probably a lot less power hungry, so yeah, I have no doubt many find 50 watts or so inadequate, but the fact remains that two amps producing the same amount of power are also producing the same amount of current, it can't be any other way.

 

[Ken Boyd]

Just a question here, since speakers are a reactive load, and the impedance is not always constant can that mean some speakers sound much better than others at a given amount of current?