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JVC QL-?? owners thread

@brunomarcs, you nailed it. Most of my machinist tools are Starrett, purchased early on in my trade.
@totem, later on I will try some different materials just to see if I can hear a difference. And thanks for the compliment. I wanted to do something different than the standard wood armboards. After building the main base, the armboards are easy.

Billwojo
 
I had a QL-A2 for about a year before I got something else. It was a fine table and very well built. I sold it a month ago and 2 weeks later the guy called me and said it would not sync at any speed. Being a good guy I told the new owner I'd have a look at it and refund his money if it was indeed bad.

I set it up and it ran perfectly in my apartment.

HE told me that it was in his garage rig. This was in a heat wave in the mid 90's every day with high humidity. I identified all the critical components in the speed sync circuit and they were good. I noticed that from the crystal to the main controller IC there was something like bees wax that completely covered half the IC. From my guitar amp experience I knew this wax could collect moisture and become conductive, and it was on the side of the chip where all the sync signals come out.

I carefully removed all the wax by hand and then finished up with alcohol and a swab. This completely cured the problem and he had no complaints. The speed is now rock steady but he's moved into his house after I explained the problem to him. Thought I'd pass it along to the JVC guys. Really nice gear and I hope to own one of the higher end models.
 
@kcdonahue, thanks but you know your the reason for my JVC addiction. That QL-A7 you sold me just floored me with my Denon DL-103 cart.
Yea, I can't wait till this Covid stuff is over, I miss getting together with all the great AK members.

BillWojo
 
I just veneered my QL-50

Started of course by stripping it down to the plinth - removing the turntable assembly, the tone-arm (separate mounting on the Ql-50) hinges and badges
The turntable is really easy to remove, about 9 screws around the perimeter
After removing the badges and hinges, I 'mapped' out the hole and screw locations so I could find the same spots after covering with veneer. Important step if you go this route yourself!

Then onto removing the vinyl (which was already coming away at the corners and my reason for a new veneer) - this was just a case of heat and peel - I actually used an iron over an old pillow case to heat the vinyl without melting to the iron (Mrs would NOT be happy!) - once heated, you just pull and peel - it comes away quite easily with the glue softened by heat,
In retrospect I think may have been easier with a heat gun - which I have, just was already thinking ahead to the new veneer and had iron in my head.

Here is the naked plinth

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It was then rough sanded (100 grit) to remove the old adhesive and give the surface a 'key' - you do not want ultra-smooth here, better to be coarse.

Then onto veneering ......

I got all the material from veneersupplies.com - the proprietor there Joe Woodworker is very helpful and responded to a host of questions I had
I purchased raw veneer, a veneer saw and some Heat-Lock Veneer Glue
The veneer I chose was Macassar (Ebony)
As a newbie veneer-er (is that a word?) I would have preferred something backed - maybe even with pre-applied peel and stick! But could find nothing that would be wide enough to create at best only one seam on the top.
So I went with the Iron activated heat glue.
Joe offered lots of both advice and cautions - the paramount one with the iron method being shrinkage. He suggested pre-shrinking with iron before any glue application

So the first thing I discovered was that just applying the glue must have created expansion and a major compressive stress causing one of my pieces to roll - I realized the difference in that piece versus the first one was because I had applied masking tape on the top surface - the piece was taped to a board while applying the glue but as soon as I released that tape, it curled like an olympic half-pipe! The other piece stayed flat and that is when I realized the tape on the non-glue side was pulling it like that - So I believe the pre-iron indeed possibly shrunk the piece, while applying the adhesive re-hydrated it and the tape applying the compressive force that pulled the ends up.

The next unexpected part of the process - after allowing adhesive on both substrate and veneer to dry, I began to apply - the first thing I luckily noticed quite quickly is that even without heating, it grabbed like contact cement - I was absolutely not expecting that! Fortunately not too much area contact and was able to peel it off and made a more accurate placement before setting it down.
One part of the design/layout process to note here ..... I wanted to waterfall the front face and sides so cut the piece large enough to accommodate the top area and those other faces. To that end I drew a layout line on the substrate where the seam would be and laid up to that line. Then got the iron and pressed it on. This process does work well, it gives a good bond all the way to the edges.
Now to cut the veneer around the top - as mentioned I wanted waterfall edges with continuous grain pattern so wanted minimal kerfs. I recognized before installing that the ideal process is sides first, then the top. My 'plan' had been that I hoped to be able to use piece of the excess veneer as a spacer between the side and the veneer saw, to create the necessary overhang to achieve the same result. Well the theory and the plan did not come to positive result. Even at this stage what I should have done is put a sacrificial strop on the sides and face, cut to that face and then remove the temporary strips and replace with the final pieces once cut from the top. But it's not too bad.
The other tricky part is seaming the top face pieces - again the shrinking factor comes into play here which just makes it hard to get a really tight seam by this method of hot-melt glue - with the turntable and tone-arm mount it means that the seam joints are quite small and in the end I was happy enough with the result
I have a full size router but actually bought a small 1/8" shank 3/16" trim bit with bearing for my Dremel - that was excellent for trimming around the cut-outs on the top and trimming the bottoms and corner edges.

This is it essentially veneered and trimmed

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I gave it a sanding - again, not too fine because the finishing oil I used - Rubio Monocoat recommends not to go too smooth or it will not bond properly
And another lesson learned - if doing again I would first sand to a smooth finish then go back again to 120
But it feels quite good after the Rubio cured.

One thing about the Macassaar - even with a 'neutral' oil, it darkens a LOT - but I like the resultant colour - the sap wood was very pale in raw state but turned lovely orange with the oil.
I actually wish I had included more at the seam - I may even go back and put an inlay section on either side of the tone-arm board similar to the left side of the turntable aperture.

The final step is re-assembly including re-application of the hinges and badges
Note the tone-arm board is temporary - I knocked out a quick copy with the router and will use the original as a pattern once again for an Aluminum one

Here's the finished article

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Read about the replacement cover from jnbaudio here - https://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/replacement-dust-cover-jnbaudio-review.925727/

I may do it all over again! I'm reasonable pleased with the result and it's 'not bad' for a first attempt at this process. But learned a lot in the process and am bit of perfectionist, so might like to go for that!
I think next time around I will lay up the veneer on some thin plywood (maybe 1/8 or 1/4") and make a false box 'skin' with proper mitred corners - that involves different technique and adds some expense of a vacuum bag system; and I mentioned the sap-wood actually looked a lot better than I had imagined and would probably incorporate more of a band of that at the seam next time around,
But I might look to that later in the fall and enjoy what I have for a while! :D
 
@decosse, that looks awesome. Wish I had the skills to work with wood.
Had some time today so I finished up the clamp except for final polishing. The arm board insert will get polished as well.
Next up is to make a bracket to hold the arm cueing device.

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That's going to look great (already does!)

I might try my hand at DIY anodizing for my tone-arm board once it's done - lots of YouTube guides; pretty much just need some lye, sulphuric acid and distilled water (plus a power supply)
That, when done 'natural' should give a nice Satin finish similar to the badge and the platen.
 
Have had my QL-A7 turntable for 40+ years. Fixed the drooping tonearm issue, with a rubber faucet washer 5 years ago.
Hi. I have same table with same problem. I cannot figure out how to get CW off. With CW screw out the CW still slides along the groove in the shaft.. How does the shaft separate from the back of the tonearm expose /replace bad rubber?
 
A few updated pics on my ATP12T tonearm mount. I need to redo the rubber strip on the tonearm lifter , don't like the way it came out.
Decided to not polish the plate but paint it red to break things up a bit. Anybody approve?
Now I need to find a 20" x 22" board to put on top of my rack to set this on. Than I'll mount my Denon DL-103 and do an alignment. Getting close.
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BillWojo
 
Inspired by @BillWojo I did an Aluminum ToneArm Mounting Plate for my QL-50
Can't claim credit for the fabrication - a Friend CNC'd this for me.

I changed up the base design a little bit - instead of holes down through the plate from top, I made blind threads in the underside of the plate and screwed it from below.
And made it a little thicker, so it would be slightly proud of the platten and a 'pocket' for the tone-arm to reduce the overall height more in line with Original.
Looks much cleaner without the screws I think

And finally did a DIY Anodize on it - pre-sanded it to 1000 grit wet/dry
Then I essentially followed this process


(Of course I didn't use dye, just wanted the Satin Anodized look - matches he Turn-Table platter pretty well!)
First Time I've tried that - it worked out pretty good for a first effort!

After & Before

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And installed in the deck

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Unfortunately I had a mishap with the Stylus - so now have to replace that (possible upgrade in the process?) :mad:
 
Inspired by @BillWojo I did an Aluminum ToneArm Mounting Plate for my QL-50

Wow, I like it, very clean looking and your anodizing job came out great! I'm happy to have inspired you, this stuff is fun.
What cart was on it? I hate to hear when someone fubars a stylus, I know I'm never that far from doing it myself.
So tell me more about your clear anodizing technique, It looks like a pretty simple setup. Did you get any build up on the threads? When I had my shop and I sent stuff out to a commercial anodizer I always tapped holes with an H5 class tap, makes the threaded holes 0.001 oversize. You learn that pretty quick, nothing like trying to retap the hole and the tap is squeaking and squealing. That stuff is HARD!
I should have an update on my project soon. My Victor UA-7045 tonearm came in.

BillWojo
 
Thanks Bill
Pretty much just followed what is in that video as far as the chemical ratios go - there are ton of DIY Anodizing videos on YT - that one I linked is useful because it shows the chemical ratios if you use pool chemicals (which are MUCH easier to source than battery acid which would be the alternate and probably even preferred medium)

I actually put Titanium screws in the threaded holes which was primarily to connect the Ti Wires for the 'Anode' for the part - just looped the wire around the screw thread and tightened the cheese head screw down on it.
So didn't have to worry about the threads getting plated - you can put aluminum or Ti screws in any threads you are worried about (or even plastic or nylon, just to plug them)
You can't use anything Ferrous, not even Stainless.

The Lye Etch process is really optional - with your bead blast it is probably not necessary - well depending what finish you want to end up with
The Bead Blast will be very similar to the Etch - give a more satin end-result and I suspect you could go directly from that (with a de-grease) straight to the anodize, skipping etch altogether.
If you spend a lot of time polishing first, you will end up with much shinier finish on the Anodizing (but not truly like un-anodized polish)
Mine was just wet/dry to 1000 grit and then etch
The other pre-step is to thoroughly de-grease it - I used Simple Green and Water mix - Distilled Water from the Grocery Store for that, as well as for the Etch and Acid Solutions and Rinses.

I have (already had it!) the exact same power supply as the guy in the video - that way it is possible to tune the current
This is the same Power Supply I have
https://www.ebay.com/itm/30V-5A-US-110V-DC-Power-Supply-Adjustable-Precision-Variable-Dual-LED-Lab-Grade/352400347502
But even a simple Automotive battery charger will do the trick - you don't want to go above 2A max though, so one that is limited to that - a trickle charger would work too (but is probably only about 750mA current)
(my part was actually run at 1.75A)

You can use this calculator to see how long you need after you calculate the total surface area of your part (that is all 6 sides)
https://caswellplating.com/720.html

(so for mine I had about 40in^2 and for 1 mil it ended up at 1.67A for 2 hrs)

Here is mine cooking


Materials:
Distilled Water
Lye (Optional for Etch)
PH Down Pool Acid crystal (or battery acid)
Lead for Cathode Connection
Titanium Wire for Anode Connection
Ti Screws for wire connection to Part
Clean Plastic (or glass) vessels

Part and solutions must be free of other metal contaminants

If you only need to do one part then it is probably more expense to DIY (especially if you have to buy a Power Supply) than to have it done commercially - but if you plan to play with it some more parts, it is fun part of the project

Oh - and if it doesn't turn out great (dependent on pre-finish and de-greasing for most part) - just do a Lye Etch and it will remove the Anodized layer back to clear Aluminum

p.s. Cartridge is a Grado MC+ - i have a thread requesting suggestions for stylus or replacement cartridge
 
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Love the veneer on it, looks wild. So what in the world did you replace it with? That's pretty hard to top.

BillWojo
 
I moved from Wisconsin a few years ago and had to get rid of some stuff. I now have a Denon DP-47F. I prefer the looks of the JVC QL-Y series over the Denon servo tonearm units, though. I've been keeping an eye out for a QL-Y55F.
 
Had a little time yesterday so I finished up the tonearm insert for the Victor arm. Still need to get it all set up yet. I picked up a nice black granite piece of countertop and had it cut to the same size as the plinth. I'll set that on top of my 16" deep rack. TT is 20" deep so the feet would only be touching on the edges.
Unfortunately I'll be very busy this week with work so I probably won't get back to this until next week. But all the hardware is finished. As usual my pictures leave a lot to be desired.
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BillWojo
 
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