KC Chiefs player, murder suicide?

[Sam Cogley]

No one is saying that Belcher wasn't responsible for his actions. However, it is a documented fact that repeated concussions can bring about severe personality changes along with all sorts of other health problems. If Belcher's autopsy does show signs of significant neurological trauma, it's yet another argument in favor of limiting full-contact practices. The NFL has already done so, but a lot of college coaches are resisting mightily.

 

[Andyman]

If Belcher's autopsy does show signs of significant neurological trauma, it's yet another argument in favor of limiting full-contact practices. The NFL has already done so, but a lot of college coaches are resisting mightily.

It may be an argument, but where's the causality? Just because something is common to something else doesn't mean it has anything to do with it? Again, correlation isn't causality.

From what I've read about the guy so far, this is way out of his expected behavior. It's reported that for some reason he got upset with his girl friend over staying out late at a concert.

Maybe it's the oh so common green eyed monster behind this. Thousands of people get killed over it every year.

 

[spaceman]

It may be an argument, but where's the causality? Just because something is common to something else doesn't mean it has anything to do with it? Again, correlation isn't causality.

From what I've read about the guy so far, this is way out of his expected behavior. It's reported that for some reason he got upset with his girl friend over staying out late at a concert.

Maybe it's the oh so common green eyed monster behind this. Thousands of people get killed over it every year.

I dunno the facts here, but this is my guess too. Love drives people crazy, and sometimes it turns ugly. R.I.P. :sigh:

 

[Sam Cogley]

It may be an argument, but where's the causality?

Google is your friend, you can read the source information yourself. :thmbsp:

Here are a few tidbits:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/06/120612115409.htm
"The Purdue Neurotrauma Group first gained national attention in 2010 for its work in studying the brains of high school players. But the research, which first focused on the effects of concussions, now shows something even more disturbing: More than half the players who never suffered concussions experience neurophysiological changes to their brain that often affects cognitive abilities.
"I don't know what the NFL said or didn't say to its players, but fMRI exams repeatedly tell this truth: Repeated blows to players' heads change the way their brains function for the worse," said Tom Talavage, a Purdue professor of biomedical engineering. "We may be putting too much focus on concussions. That is only the final straw after thousands of hits over several years.""

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...e-concussion-research-universities-nationwide

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect...gue+practice+plan+tackles+concussions+head-on

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...-kids-football-head-hits-severe-college-games

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...e-concussion-research-universities-nationwide

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...al-sports-concussion-outcome-study/index.html

http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2012/10/concussions_hit_home_what_the.html

http://www.nichd.nih.gov/news/resources/spotlight/pages/020612-concussions.aspx
"Don't let the word "mild" fool you—even a little bit of trauma to the brain can cause big problems with thinking or memory, movement or mobility, speaking or understanding, and personality or mood in the short and long term. Some research has also linked repeated head injuries to a long-term degenerative disease called chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), which has symptoms similar to Alzheimer's."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/05/health/nfl-neurodegenerative-disease/index.html
"Just hours before the 2012 NFL season kicks off, a new study suggests that professional football players are three times more likely to have neurodegenerative diseases than the general population.
When researchers specifically looked at Alzheimer's disease and ALS -- amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, also known as Lou Gehrig's disease -- that risk increased to four times greater than the rest of us.
The study, published Wednesday in the medical journal Neurology, surveyed nearly 3,500 retired NFL players who were in the league between 1959 and 1988."

 

[Andyman]

That's all fine and dandy, but where's the causality in this specific case? Would this hold up before a judge?
FWIW, the other thread has a claim that his girl friend told him the baby wasn't his and that was the catalyst for this tragedy.

I'm not disputing that blows to the head may cause trama, just that they were the cause of this unfortunate incident. Also, I've always found some of these studies extremely questionable, especially when performed upon samples without any control on their environment. I for one would have an extremely hard time placing any creedence in a study of a sample that focused on an experiential variable the sample was exposed to 25 years prior.

 

[halftime]

Belcher shot his girlfriend nine times with his mother present in the same room. It has nothing to do with concussions or gun control. The guy was a deeply troubled individual who abused both alcohol and pain killers on a daily basis, and had displayed violent behavior in the past.

Where was Costas arguing to outlaw knives after the OJ incident ? This is why NBC is a complete joke.


The guy was a stone cold murderer, quit making stupid excuses for him.

 

[JohnMichael]

Google is your friend, you can read the source information yourself. :thmbsp:

Here are a few tidbits:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/06/120612115409.htm
"The Purdue Neurotrauma Group first gained national attention in 2010 for its work in studying the brains of high school players. But the research, which first focused on the effects of concussions, now shows something even more disturbing: More than half the players who never suffered concussions experience neurophysiological changes to their brain that often affects cognitive abilities.
"I don't know what the NFL said or didn't say to its players, but fMRI exams repeatedly tell this truth: Repeated blows to players' heads change the way their brains function for the worse," said Tom Talavage, a Purdue professor of biomedical engineering. "We may be putting too much focus on concussions. That is only the final straw after thousands of hits over several years.""

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...e-concussion-research-universities-nationwide

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect...gue+practice+plan+tackles+concussions+head-on

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...-kids-football-head-hits-severe-college-games

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...e-concussion-research-universities-nationwide

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...al-sports-concussion-outcome-study/index.html

http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2012/10/concussions_hit_home_what_the.html

http://www.nichd.nih.gov/news/resources/spotlight/pages/020612-concussions.aspx
"Don't let the word "mild" fool you—even a little bit of trauma to the brain can cause big problems with thinking or memory, movement or mobility, speaking or understanding, and personality or mood in the short and long term. Some research has also linked repeated head injuries to a long-term degenerative disease called chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), which has symptoms similar to Alzheimer's."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/05/health/nfl-neurodegenerative-disease/index.html
"Just hours before the 2012 NFL season kicks off, a new study suggests that professional football players are three times more likely to have neurodegenerative diseases than the general population.
When researchers specifically looked at Alzheimer's disease and ALS -- amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, also known as Lou Gehrig's disease -- that risk increased to four times greater than the rest of us.
The study, published Wednesday in the medical journal Neurology, surveyed nearly 3,500 retired NFL players who were in the league between 1959 and 1988."

Thanks for all the good links. Which came first the addictions or head trauma. I wonder if he was not self medicating for the pain and personality changes of head trauma. How many concussions had he had through high school playing football and on until his pro career. More research needs to be done and testing during their playing days to see if the brain is being damaged by impact.

 

[kneeOhFight]

Belcher shot his girlfriend nine times with his mother present in the same room. It has nothing to do with concussions or gun control. The guy was a deeply troubled individual who abused both alcohol and pain killers on a daily basis, and had displayed violent behavior in the past.

Where was Costas arguing to outlaw knives after the OJ incident ? This is why NBC is a complete joke.


The guy was a stone cold murderer, quit making stupid excuses for him.

do the following words have a familiar ring to them, halftime?

Well then feel free to keep commenting on something you obviously know nothing about and don't understand.

 

[halftime]

There isn't one thing in my post that is an way inaccurate or even debatable.

 

[kneeOhFight]

There isn't one thing in my post that is an way inaccurate or even debatable.

Methinks you need a "do over" on this post, Capt. Imperious :lmao:

 

[Sam Cogley]

That's all fine and dandy, but where's the causality in this specific case? Would this hold up before a judge?
FWIW, the other thread has a claim that his girl friend told him the baby wasn't his and that was the catalyst for this tragedy.

I'm not disputing that blows to the head may cause trama, just that they were the cause of this unfortunate incident. Also, I've always found some of these studies extremely questionable, especially when performed upon samples without any control on their environment. I for one would have an extremely hard time placing any creedence in a study of a sample that focused on an experiential variable the sample was exposed to 25 years prior.

Thanks for all the good links. Which came first the addictions or head trauma. I wonder if he was not self medicating for the pain and personality changes of head trauma. How many concussions had he had through high school playing football and on until his pro career. More research needs to be done and testing during their playing days to see if the brain is being damaged by impact.

I'm not saying that Mr. Belcher necessarily suffered from head trauma, or that any direct correlation could ever be proven in this case. What I said was that if the autopsy shows signs of the sort of brain trauma that's been observed in other cases of ex football players who have suffered all sorts of personality changes and neurological disorders, it will be another piece of evidence supporting a need to further protect the brains of players.

 

[Andyman]

I can understand that, and certainly support research into the subject, but still question some of the findings and methodologies. That one report based some results upon the incidence of 7 cases in a sample of 334 who had played at least 20 years earlier. That's pretty slim...

I for one would be very hesistant to present those figures to any of my contemporaries as I don't see where they would stand up as being valid under cross examination.

 

[halftime]

Methinks you need a "do over" on this post, Capt. Imperious :lmao:

Yeah I always put a lot of stock in the opinions of adults who quote Thirty Rock in their signatures. You are so hip and cool. I'll bet you also watch Mad Men every week.

By your reasoning we didn't witness Costas being an idiot, he instead was the victim of his microphone being switched on.