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Klipsch RF-3 or Forte II

Wow, OP. Need a little fiber in your diet?

I was in no way condescending to your speakers. And if you want to get into a dick measuring contest about speakers, I assure you that you would walk away disappointed. The cornscalas have gone where many more expensive, exhalted speakers have tread, and done so pretty successfully.

I stand by my comment regarding Crown (or Behringer, take your pick) amps. Fortes deserve better.


But at the end of the day, it appears as though you know more than the rest of us, so disregard anything you might read here.
 
Wow, OP. Need a little fiber in your diet?

I was in no way condescending to your speakers. And if you want to get into a dick measuring contest about speakers, I assure you that you would walk away disappointed. The cornscalas have gone where many more expensive, exhalted speakers have tread, and done so pretty successfully.

I stand by my comment regarding Crown (or Behringer, take your pick) amps. Fortes deserve better.


But at the end of the day, it appears as though you know more than the rest of us, so disregard anything you might read here.

I've heard the Cornscalas. They are a basic diy build known for value but definitely not top tier. And I come from a background where we do regional get together events to compare the most popular higher end pro speakers, diy builds, as well as conventional brick and mortar/ID brands. I'm sorry but your Cornscalas never scored anywhere near the top three of any models we auditioned while mine routinely scored within top two.

And these are events frequented by people of all income backgrounds(average to multimillionaire) as well as sound reinforcement and electrical engineers who have a wide range of experience with value, design, and performance.
It's easy to rave about a speaker when you don't have a proper frame of reference and you have not directly compared them to other top designs in a group setting.

I've also attended may double blind listening tests for amps so I'm not even going to go that route with the many unfounded assumptions people place on what they think their hearing (warm, cold, sparkly, etc).
 
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Okay, Diamond. I thought you were a newbie. Just giving a simple answer to an easy question. Was unaware of the depth and experience you had with gear.

You should have introduced yourself and gave a little background.

I feel like I stepped on a landmine!
 
Okay, Diamond. I thought you were a newbie. Just giving a simple answer to an easy question. Was unaware of the depth and experience you had with gear.

You should have introduced yourself and gave a little background.

I feel like I stepped on a landmine!

No problem Tapehead. You don't care for Crown and you were merely suggesting another amp. I don't have a problem with that. However I am wondering have you ever heard a Crown XTI or cheaper XLI series amp? Or are you going by thoughts on older crown amps?
 
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Good luck with your search for a new set of speakers. Maybe a set of unity horns on a 10 or 12 inch woofer the unity are only about 16 inches wide. I have seen a number of examples on line and they would fit with the sound of your present gear. Or you might try a two way with a large format driver 1.4 or 1.5 inch exit fitted with a double cutaway Karlson K-Tube. I have a set of unity horns not in use and I really do like the Karlson K-Tube for near field listening. Just something that you may not have considered, you can cross as low as 6 -700 Hz with a K-Tube. Best regards Moray James.
 
I have Forte IIs in my basement and I like them very much, I find them very musical with natural but not a deep low end, which I only miss on very specific rock or classical pieces. I have B&W, large Snells, Infinity 7 Kappa and others and find the Forte IIs hold their ground. Placement is key to getting the best sound out of them, which on a basement is doable.
 
I have Forte IIs in my basement and I like them very much, I find them very musical with natural but not a deep low end, which I only miss on very specific rock or classical pieces. I have B&W, large Snells, Infinity 7 Kappa and others and find the Forte IIs hold their ground. Placement is key to getting the best sound out of them, which on a basement is doable.

This mirrors my thoughts exactly on the Forte II's. They sounded very natural, musical, good fidelity, just didn't have deep low end I was looking for. My only regret is not pairing them with a sub to see if I could have handled them in a speaker/sub combo for 2 channel listening.
 
Good luck with your search for a new set of speakers. Maybe a set of unity horns on a 10 or 12 inch woofer the unity are only about 16 inches wide. I have seen a number of examples on line and they would fit with the sound of your present gear. Or you might try a two way with a large format driver 1.4 or 1.5 inch exit fitted with a double cutaway Karlson K-Tube. I have a set of unity horns not in use and I really do like the Karlson K-Tube for near field listening. Just something that you may not have considered, you can cross as low as 6 -700 Hz with a K-Tube. Best regards Moray James.

I have Yorkville U15's which I use for surrounds. They contain an older version of the Unity horn and have a great sound to them. I just feel they are too darn ugly to put in the bedroom which I'm trying to keep clean and sleek. My Danleys conain a newer version of the Unity horn which is excellent but they are the mains for my living room. I will keep an eye out for the other gear you've listed. Thank you again sir.
 
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I have Yorkville U15's which I use for surrounds. They contain an older version of the Unity horn and have a great sound to them. I just feel they are too darn ugly to put in the bedroom which I'm trying to keep clean and sleek. My Danelys conain a newer version of the Unity horn which is excellent but they are the mains for my living room. I will keep an eye out for the other gear you've listed. Thank you again sir.

I agree the RF3 is a good compromise size wise for your bedroom You may find something. There was only one company which made the Karlson K-Tube they did have two sizes but I have only ever seen one size ever. K-Tubes are very simple to make with a simple roll of paper and some tape. You will need to make a thin wire hoop to act as a former to keep the paper form round as once you cut it out the paper does not have enough strength to stay round on its own. So you can experiment with various profiles almost for free just your time. My tubes are the exact same ID as the driver exit and I uses a tube in which I have two cut aways. I will try to post a picture so you can see just what it looks like. The tubes are 1/4 wave length so use the given Fs or the lowest big impedance peak. Best regards Moray James.

PS: for some reason I cannot attach the picture but here is a link to the picture I wanted to post for you.
http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/t.mpl?f=hug&m=126906

PPS:Paper tubes make for ultra simple and fast experiments but they also sound very good. I have not replaced my paper tubes as they sound so good I have not had the desire to change them. There are lots of ways to make thin walled tubes but you don't want the tube to be resonant and the thin paper while not very strong is stiff enough to hold its form which is all you want it to do and it stores very little energy so it does not release much energy. I imagine that the paper tubes will be difficult to better. You can knock up a simple K-Tube for any driver and be listening to it in minutes time. They are very hard to find as so few were sold. In pro situations they had dispersion so wide that they often caused feedback with microphones on stage. In near field listening at home this is not an issue. I set up my double cutaway versions so they are parallel to the floor are at my seated ear level and I direct them at my seating location so that I can see straight down the tube the open cutaway section is vertical with the remaining solid side walls of the tube on the left and the right of the cut away profile. K-Tubes seem to act/behave like a plane wave tube with a sliding impedance termination which is the slot or cutaway section. There are a number of people who are using K-Tubes, Freddy is the go to guy for information. I am not aware of anyone else who runs double cutaway tubes nor anyone else who sets up their K-Tubes the way I do. I was not pleased with the set up that Karlson used. With single cutaway tubes I position them parallel to the floor at my seated ear height directed at the seating location with the solid section of the tubes facing the outside walls. Hope this is of interest.

http://home.planet.nl/~ulfman/artic/kkoppler/kkopl_en.html
http://www.google.com/patents/US3543876?hl=fr&dq=3543876
 
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So I sold them today. I was shocked at the amount of low offers I got for them. Highest offer of the lot was $280. So I took a loss and sold them. They don't have very good resale value. I wonder why? They are a great sounding speaker in my opinion. But oh well. Now I got to find their replacement.

Damn, I just got the ok from the wife to upgrade to some larger speakers in the living room and these are on my list. I'm in Austin too which I gather by your search area is close to you...well close in Texas terms.

I'm trying to decide between Chorus II, Forte II, and Quartets. I've owned Heresy IIs and loved them but sold them as they didn't work in this larger room (15' x 20') and I've also tried RF3s in this room and felt they never sounded right, the soundstage just never came together right but they did have plenty of bass for my liking. I'm sitting back about 12' from the speakers and they will be about 12' apart. My father-in-law has some La Scalas which I love and would buy (he's not using them anymore) but there's no way this room could handle them. I've also heard some Cornwalls and those are very nice too but way too wide for the space allocated (20" max).

After reading this thread, I think I'll put the Forte II's in the top spot and see if I can find a pair of those. I will be running them with a Peachtree Nova for now but plan on upgrading to a nice tube integrated like Rogue Cronus or Primaluna in the near future.
 
Oh man. I would have loved to sell you my pair of Forte IIs. I did not think to list them here in addition to craigslist. Would have been cool to know they were going to a good home with a fellow AK member.

If you can find a pair jump on them. Their highs and midrange clarity is excellent.
 
Oh man. I would have loved to sell you my pair of Forte IIs. I did not think to list them here in addition to craigslist. Would have been cool to know they were going to a good home with a fellow AK member.

If you can find a pair jump on them. Their highs and midrange clarity is excellent.

There's a pair on CL for $400, and some Chorus IIs for $900 which seems high. Gear in Austin tends to be overpriced. I might keep looking a while, I'm sure I'll find some at a good price.
 
Your condescending comment was not warranted. I'm normally a very nice guy, however I can play the one up game as well. The speakers in my living room and home theater room are rotated between Danley SH 64, JTR 215RT, and Yorkville U215.

Your Cornscala is not on the same radar as these speakers. Yet I don't feel the need to put others down here due to what I own. I also have pro amps ranging from Lab Gruppen all the way down to Behringer. The crown amp is a basic, no frills lower mid tier pro amp that gives a very balanced sound.

My point is don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.

Don't pay attention to HSG . Completely uninformed and truly a liability around here .
 
There's a pair on CL for $400, and some Chorus IIs for $900 which seems high. Gear in Austin tends to be overpriced. I might keep looking a while, I'm sure I'll find some at a good price.

Depending on condition Forte II are priced 400-800 in my neck of the woods. So these are very reasonable.
 
I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you either, but I will say this.

This is a forum for ideas and opinions. They won't always mirror yours. If you get butt hurt over it sometimes, well that's life. Get a set, Nancy.

I don't care much for receivers or pro audio amps. You don't like whatever it is you don't like. Get over it.

No need for a pissing match. You threw a stone. I threw an even bigger stone back. Point is you can give your opinion without being condescending. I trust as an adult you know the difference.

Also, comparing gear in a condescending tone is not a worthwhile pursuit. I admit that. But I have gear that can fill auditoriums with heavy duty, high fidelity sound out of the pro market. So I am definitely not the guy you want to go down that route with.
 
I know it is a bit non-conventional but if you can find a pair of RP3's or RP5', both are good speakers with built in subs. They have a fairly small foot print and are tall in the way 'modern' floor standers tend to be.
 
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